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View Poll Results: Should they speed up the grass at Wimbledon again?
Are you kidding me, of course they should?! 84 72.41%
Nah they should make it slow enough so that Rafa can slide on it. 32 27.59%
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Wimbledon's grass, can it get any slower?

I'm starting to think with the current trend one of these days it might be possible to slide on grass, making it even easier for Rafa to win over there. But seriously though, do you think they can make it any slower?

It seems like the French Open has become slightly faster as well, but that might just be my imagination. Last year Monfils and Nole both made semi's and neither of them are exactly clay court specialists.

So what do you think about the curent state of the game? This is not about tennis being dead and all, this is more specifically about grass and what it has done to tennis. I mean you cant speed up clay much as far as i know, but you can slow down grass quite a bit.

So i would like to see with the help of a poll how many people think grass should be made like it was before, bringing the serve and volley game back again. Surely there is an imbalance in favour of the baseline sluggers these days. Is there a conspiracy against Roger? Im pretty sure he would have won like 18 slams or more had they kept the courts at Wimby fast.

Anyhow we'll leave Roger out of this cos I don't want your judgement to be clouded Just tell me whether you think they need to speed up the grass again at Wimby and it would be nice if you could motivate your answer
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Re: Wimbledon's grass, can it get any slower?

Yes, it can, go out and have a braai.

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Yes, it can, go out and have a braai.
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Re: Wimbledon's grass, can it get any slower?

It could become 'slower than ass'.
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Re: Wimbledon's grass, can it get any slower?

I agree they should speed up the grass but it won't bring back serve and volley. Federer would clean up all opposition once again, he'd probably serve and volley a bit more, but the rest of the tour aren't going to change their game over-night.

Would be a good 5-6 years to see any real big change in styles and a rebirth of serve and volley, with the younger players perhaps being more inclined to actually practice the technique.

It would definitely ensure Nadal would never win another Wimbledon and clay courters would most likely start tanking the grass season again.
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grass is going to be replaced with hardcourts anyway

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grass is going to be replaced with hardcourts anyway
They might as well the way things are going now. Death of tennis when this happens for sure.
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Re: Wimbledon's grass, can it get any slower?

Man, you just don't quit do you? Once and for all..grass is fine. Nadal is better than Federer anytime, any surface. Nadal proved it now in every possible surface that he's a man to beat. Man, you're running out of excuses...
Maybe you should name this thread "Ban Nadal from Wimbledon"...I belive then you would not complain about grass anymore. And as far as I know, Queen's Club has faster grass than at Wimbly..and guess who's the title holder there?
And yet, if the grass would be super fast...where does it say Roger would clinch the title back? I mean..let's see, by your thesis, he should be clear underdog against i.e. Karlovič. I mean..Ivo beat him a hard court last year no? So the way you think, he would be even harder to play against at "quick" grass. I would give 1000€ to make this happen, and read your excuse after that.
And stop these " x court specialist" statements. If you are great on one surface you should do well at other as well. After all, it's just tennis. Where for god's sake is written that "clay court specialist" should be owned on faster surface? Nonsense after nonsense.

ruanz33, the only reason you post these kind of posts (and yes, they are all the same) is that you still can't get someone is actually better than your Federer. Searching for excuses anywhere you can, and it's getting ridiculous by now. What's next? Balls are to yellow? Grass is too green? Wind was against him everytime he served?..of course. But funny thing, all these things appear only if certain man is in the other side of the net.

Federer could go to 18 GS if there wasn't Nadal. If there was Nadal even earlier, he couldn't reach 10. Roddick would be at 5,6 GS if there wasn't Federer...there's no point of these statements. If non of them and other 1000000 tennis players who are better then me would not exist..i would be the GOAT.

Damn..i was so close.

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Re: Wimbledon's grass, can it get any slower?

I think my position on this issue is well known.
What is great about tennis is its diversity. Long topspin rallies are fine, but let's keep them to the clay. Grass tennis is about serve and volley, and if that style of play is less possible with the new raquet technology, at least about attacking tennis and approaches to the forecourt.
Tennis is becoming a dull sport with the same style of play succeeding week-in and week-out.

Any one who doesn't recognise that Nadal's Wimbledon win was aided greatly by the altered speed of the grass is deluded.
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Re: Wimbledon's grass, can it get any slower?

It's a shame because I don't like the idea of surface uniformity either. I don't like that the Oz Open courts now play essentially the same as the US Open for instance. I must admit though that I don't miss the superfast days of a grass court match being a battle between two players who can hit 500 aces, but can't hit a groundstroke to save their lives. The speed of Queens is a good compromise.

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Man, you just don't quit do you? Once and for all..grass is fine. Nadal is better than Federer anytime, any surface. Nadal proved it now in every possible surface that he's a man to beat. Man, you're running out of excuses...
Maybe you should name this thread "Ban Nadal from Wimbledon"...I belive then you would not complain about grass anymore. And as far as I know, Queen's Club has faster grass than at Wimbly..and guess who's the title holder there?
And yet, if the grass would be super fast...where does it say Roger would clinch the title back? I mean..let's see, by your thesis, he should be clear underdog against i.e. Karlovič. I mean..Ivo beat him a hard court last year no? So the way you think, he would be even harder to play against at "quick" grass. I would give 1000€ to make this happen, and read your excuse after that.
And stop these " x court specialist" statements. If you are great on one surface you should do well at other as well. After all, it's just tennis. Where for god's sake is written that "clay court specialist" should be owned on faster surface? Nonsense after nonsense.

ruanz33, the only reason you post these kind of posts (and yes, they are all the same) is that you still can't get someone is actually better than your Federer. Searching for excuses anywhere you can, and it's getting ridiculous by now. What's next? Balls are to yellow? Grass is too green? Wind was against him everytime he served?..of course. But funny thing, all these things appear only if certain man is in the other side of the net.

Federer could go to 18 GS if there wasn't Nadal. If there was Nadal even earlier, he couldn't reach 10. Roddick would be at 5,6 GS if there wasn't Federer...there's no point of these statements. If non of them and other 1000000 tennis players who are better then me would not exist..i would be the GOAT.

Damn..i was so close.
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Re: Wimbledon's grass, can it get any slower?

Lets just make one thing clear here as well. Nadal is good, but he is after all still a moonballer
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Re: Wimbledon's grass, can it get any slower?

Well they could let the grass grow and turn center our into a cornfield. Or a strawberry field.

This said, as long as I do not see hard evidence for the "Wimbledon became slower" theory, only strong opinions that are backed up with nothing, I reserve my judgement. The stats I have seen -- notably on break percentages at great tournaments over the years, assembled by a brilliant poster here -- suggest nothing of the sort.

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Lets just make one thing clear here as well. Nadal is good, but he is after all still a moonballer
If you could explain the value of this statement, I'd be grateful.

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