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Karlovic Matchups

His recent results have got me thinking, like someone said I cant remember who but they said the order of difficulty he finds players to play against is not the atp order rather about matchups.

So what are his favourite players to play against and what are his nightmares?

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he likes to play against people who play far behind the baseline, so that includes people such as nadal and monfils...
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I don't really think that he likes to play a type of player, or hates to play a type of player. If his serve is on, he can beat anyone apart from excellent returners eg. Murray, Nadal, Ferrer.

By the way did you know that he has a 3-0 h2h record against Hewitt.

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Re: Karlovic Matchups

Can someone dig up statistics for this? It must be possible to get a list of H2H results sorted on succes rate? If you have that the trend should be pretty obvious if there is one.


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Re: Karlovic Matchups

Check out Melzer's record against Karlovic (5-0).

From following some of those matches if I remember well, Melzer's strategy involved concentrating his efforts on Karlovic's serve only at specific moments, for example tie-breaks. Many other service games from Karlovic he didn't even waste energy and just let Karlovic win it. Maybe this kind of focusing is a good strategy against such a big server (i.e. don't fight the serve all the time).


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Check out Melzer's record against Karlovic (5-0).

From following some of those matches if I remember well, Melzer's strategy involved concentrating his efforts on Karlovic's serve only at specific moments, for example tie-breaks. Many other service games from Karlovic he didn't even waste energy and just let Karlovic win it. Maybe this kind of focusing is a good strategy against such a big server (i.e. don't fight the serve all the time).
Great strategy Mel. I don't know which player it was, but I remember seeing a h2h record of 9-0, 8-0 or something. If only I could remember.

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I don't really think that he likes to play a type of player, or hates to play a type of player. If his serve is on, he can beat anyone apart from excellent returners eg. Murray, Nadal, Ferrer.
Actually I agree with this. I've written once again in the thread his last match in Zagreb about his weak 2nd serve. IMO it's a main factor of his results. Usually he has around 70 % of 1st serves in, but what's more important, he needs to stay with this percentage throughout the match. For example he can hit 4 first serves in a row in a game and win it quickly to 0, in the other game it would be 3 out of 6 (50 %), he is broken to 30 and we see the final scoreline 3-6 6-7(4) with 70 % of 1st serves in...

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Re: Karlovic Matchups

He does not have good or bad match ups, if he serves well he wins 95% of the time and if he does not serve well he loses 100% of the time. Thats it
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Re: Karlovic Matchups

It's not that simple. This is actually a good topic.

Melzer has a great record against Karlovic for some reasons. First, he's a leftie. Karlovic has no backhand, so in his own service games, he can just hit to his backhand and go to the net. Second, he's a pretty decent volleyer, helps him. Third, he's a good returner, with compact strokes, doesn't back up that much to return. Fourth, he has skill, so he can also dropshot, slice, change pace. Fifth, he's fast.

Hewitt losing so many times to Karlovic could be related to Hewitt having a big forehand swing, also to Hewitt having the topspin lob as #1 choice of passing shot (nullified by a guy as tall as Karlovic).

A typical match of a guy who plays right into Karlovic's strengths was Starace in Rome. Starace was doing exactly what Karlovic likes - staying too far behind to return serve, giving rhythm to his forehand, not going to the net. Watch Federer play Karlovic - he goes to the net all the time, always on the backhand, wins most of the points.
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Re: Karlovic Matchups

to beat karlovic you need to be able to return well and pass well
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Watch Federer play Karlovic - he goes to the net all the time, always on the backhand, wins most of the points.
agree...Kiefer do exact same thing when play him


Second thing Karlo dont like is deep junkballs...he prefer strong excange where he can execute fast and strong
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Re: Karlovic Matchups

I've said it in the other thread and here's how I see it.
Return is important but it alone won't get you far. Most of the French players can break him (Santoro, Clement, Llodra, Simon, Monfils, even Benneteau come to mind) cause they are pretty much all good returners can put a lot of his serves into play.

But equally important is to be safe on your own service games and to try only to maneuver him around the court, not go for winners and risk to much. You also have to deal well with slice, pretty much most of the "smaller" (shorter) guys do as they are lower to the ground.
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arlo has a 20-23 score against Frenchies but 38-22 against the Yanks- is there something to it? It think so. French guys can return serve and aren't all ballbashing behind their own
Blake, for example has an excellent return but it never gets him anywhere against Karlo cause he always gives chances when serving and is poor when it comes to playing big points.
The Spaniards, who aren't particularly known for liking to play against big serving guys also have a positive record against Karlo (22-21), I guess cause they play a safe game, they don't give away cheap points,..at least that's how I figure it

Bad matchups (except the French )- Kiefer, Melzer, Murray, Nalbandian, Stepanek, Stakhovsky, Stadler ) come to mind
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Re: Karlovic Matchups

Nicolas Kiefer was once never aced against by Ivo Karlovic in a match, check it up.
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Given his height he's obviously going to struggle against a decent low slice.
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Nicolas Kiefer was once never aced against by Ivo Karlovic in a match, check it up.
Monfils against an injured Karlovic in Monte Carlo last year, 0 aces.

But doesn't anyone agree with my observation about Melzer, that a good tactic against Karlovic can be to not fight his serve all the time. I mean a player can fight mentally and physically with deuce scores, breakpoints etc. in a Karlovic service game but eventually his serve will get him out of trouble and the opponent will be get tired or frustrated. A player can save energy if he can concentrate his efforts on specific moments.


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Nicolas Kiefer was once never aced against by Ivo Karlovic in a match, check it up.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/5/en/pla...nd=3&plyr=K336

never happened with kiefer

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