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The Top 101 Grand Slam Players of the Open Era -- an Update Post AO 2009, UO 2008

The main changes (or absence thereof):

Roger Federer (W UO, F AO; 13W-5F-3S-2Q) unchanged at #2 -- behind Laver, slightly ahead of Sampras and Borg (but the 3 could also be ordered differently). Would need to win the FO or close to 20 slams to pass Laver.

Rafael Nadal (SF, W; 6-2-2-2) one up to #13, sandwiched between Edberg and Newcombe. Has 6 GS titles now, like Becker and Edberg, but many years ahead of him to add to this. 7 titles would get him to #11, 8 to #9, 9 to #7, 10 to #5 (currently Lendl).

Andy Roddick (QF, SF; 1-3-5-7) unchanged at #26. Is already the highest ranked one-slam champion of the openera, would need a second title to pass the players ahead of him (Kafelnikov, Kuerten, Smith, Rafter).

Novak Djokovic (SF, QF; 1-1-4-1) to #37 from #40, now between Ferrero and Kriek.

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (-, QF; 0-1-0-1) and Andy Murray (F, -; 0-1-0-1) enter the ranking at #95 and #96, respectively. To make room, Aaron Krickstien and Jose Higueras drop out of the top 101.

Other still active players with a ranking in the top 101 are: Lleyon Hewitt (20), Marat Safin (21), Juan Carlos Ferrero (36), David Nalbandian (56), Nikolay Davydenko (64), Fernando Gonzalez (74), Marcos Baghdatis (78), Tommy Haas (84), Rainer Schuttler (86), and Arnaud Clement (88).

1 Rod Laver
2 Roger Federer
3 Pete Sampras
4 Bjorn Borg
5 Ivan Lendl
6 Ken Rosewall
7 Jimmy Connors
8 Andre Agassi
9 John McEnroe
10 Mats Wilander

11 Boris Becker
12 Stefan Edberg
13 Rafael Nadal
14 John Newcombe
15 Jim Courier
16 Guillermo Vilas
17 Arthur Ashe
18 Ilie Nastase
19 Jan Kodes
20 Lleyton Hewitt

21 Marat Safin
22 Pat Rafter
23 Stan Smith
24 Gustavo Kuerten
25 Yegveni Kafelnikov
26 Andy Roddick
27 Michael Chang
28 Goran Ivanisevic
29 Tony Roche
30 Andres Gimeno

31 Michael Stich
32 Pat Cash
33 Vitas Gerulaitis
34 Roscoe Tanner
35 Sergi Bruguera
36 Juan Carlos Ferrero
37 Novak Djokovic
38 Johann Kriek
39 Carlos Moya
40 Richard Krajicek

41 Manuel Orantes
42 Thomas Muster
43 Petr Korda
44 Yannick Noah
45 Adriano Panatta
46 Miroslav Mecir
47 Todd Martin
48 Cedric Pioline
49 Kevin Curren
50 Alex Corretja

51 Mark Philippoussis
52 Thomas Johansson
53 Albert Costa
54 Andres Gomez
55 Manuel Okker
56 David Nalbandian
57 Henri Leconte
58 Alex Metreveli
59 Harold Solomon
60 Mark Edmondson

61 Tim Henman
62 Brian Teacher
63 Sebastian Grosjean
64 Nikolay Davydenko
65 Raul Ramirez
66 Gaston Gaudio
67 Clark Graebner
68 Brian Gottfried
69 Phil Dent
70 Andrei Medvedev

71 Marcelo Rios
72 Guillermo Coria
73 Dick Crealy
74 Fernando Gonzalez
75 Tim Mayotte
76 Magnus Norman
77 Zeljko Franulovic
78 Marcos Bagdhatis
79 Patrick Proisy
80 Onny Parun

81 Steve Denton
82 Jonas Bjorkman
83 Eddie Dibbs
84 Tommy Haas
85 Victor Pecci
86 Rainer Schuettler
87 Thomas Enqvist
88 Arnaud Clement
89 Kim Warwick
90 Roger Taylor

91 Cliff Richey
92 Wayne Ferreira
93 Tom Gorman
94 John Alexander
95 Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
96 Andy Murray
97 Greg Rusedski
98 Niki Pilic
99 Michael Pernfors
100 Alberto Berasetegui
101 Dick Stockton

102 Aaron Krickstein
103 Jose Higueras

www.yokozunatennis.blogspot.com

Current sanyaku ranked players:
Yokozuna: Roger Federer (Dai-Y), Novak Djokovic (Dai-Y), Andy Murray [Rafael Nadal is an inactive Dai-Yokozuna]
Ozeki: Stan Wawrinka (kadoban)
Sekiwake: Tomas Berdych (ex-Ozeki), Milos Raonic
Komusubi: none

Active ex-sanyaku-ranked players
Ozeki:
Del Potro, Ferrer. Sekiwake: Tsonga, Baghdatis, Haas, Raonic, Nishikori, Gasquet. Komusubi: Robredo, Ginepri, Gasquet, Verdasco, Melzer, Monfils, Youzhny, Janowicz, Dimitrov, Gulbis, Kyrgios, Thiem.

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Re: The Top 101 Singles Player of the Open era -- an Update Post AO 2009, UO 2008

Did you have a point system to come up with this list?
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Re: The Top 101 Singles Player of the Open era -- an Update Post AO 2009, UO 2008

Let me ask you. Where are:


- Hernandez
- Bogdanovic
- Guccione ?




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Re: The Top 101 Singles Player of the Open era -- an Update Post AO 2009, UO 2008

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KIM WARWICK beat (defending champion) GUILLERMO VILAS 6-7, 6-4, 6-2, 2-6, 6-4


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Did you have a point system to come up with this list?

I started with a points system for successes at the slams, but then made adjustments (for example, Aussie Open 1975-82 have less weight, 2 titles at the same tournament have less weight than 2 titles at different tournaments, and so on).

Thus, in spite of trying to be objective there is unavoidably a good degree of subjectivity, and it's purely for fun.

www.yokozunatennis.blogspot.com

Current sanyaku ranked players:
Yokozuna: Roger Federer (Dai-Y), Novak Djokovic (Dai-Y), Andy Murray [Rafael Nadal is an inactive Dai-Yokozuna]
Ozeki: Stan Wawrinka (kadoban)
Sekiwake: Tomas Berdych (ex-Ozeki), Milos Raonic
Komusubi: none

Active ex-sanyaku-ranked players
Ozeki:
Del Potro, Ferrer. Sekiwake: Tsonga, Baghdatis, Haas, Raonic, Nishikori, Gasquet. Komusubi: Robredo, Ginepri, Gasquet, Verdasco, Melzer, Monfils, Youzhny, Janowicz, Dimitrov, Gulbis, Kyrgios, Thiem.
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Re: The Top 101 Singles Player of the Open era -- an Update Post AO 2009, UO 2008

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Let me ask you. Where are:


- Hernandez
- Bogdanovic
- Guccione ?




Neither of them made it ever to a GS quarterfinal, if I'm not mistaken, hence they wouldn't be in the top 200. Probably not even top 300.

www.yokozunatennis.blogspot.com

Current sanyaku ranked players:
Yokozuna: Roger Federer (Dai-Y), Novak Djokovic (Dai-Y), Andy Murray [Rafael Nadal is an inactive Dai-Yokozuna]
Ozeki: Stan Wawrinka (kadoban)
Sekiwake: Tomas Berdych (ex-Ozeki), Milos Raonic
Komusubi: none

Active ex-sanyaku-ranked players
Ozeki:
Del Potro, Ferrer. Sekiwake: Tsonga, Baghdatis, Haas, Raonic, Nishikori, Gasquet. Komusubi: Robredo, Ginepri, Gasquet, Verdasco, Melzer, Monfils, Youzhny, Janowicz, Dimitrov, Gulbis, Kyrgios, Thiem.
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Re: The Top 101 Singles Player of the Open era -- an Update Post AO 2009, UO 2008

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The main changes (or absence thereof):

Roger Federer (W UO, F AO; 13W-5F-3S-2Q) unchanged at #2 -- behind Laver, slightly ahead of Sampras and Borg (but the 3 could also be ordered differently). Would need to win the FO or close to 20 slams to pass Laver.

Rafael Nadal (SF, W; 6-2-2-2) one up to #13, sandwiched between Edberg and Newcombe. Has 6 GS titles now, like Becker and Edberg, but many years ahead of him to add to this. 7 titles would get him to #11, 8 to #9, 9 to #7, 10 to #5 (currently Lendl).

Andy Roddick (QF, SF; 1-3-5-7) unchanged at #26. Is already the highest ranked one-slam champion of the openera, would need a second title to pass the players ahead of him (Kafelnikov, Kuerten, Smith, Rafter).

Novak Djokovic (SF, QF; 1-1-4-1) to #37 from #40, now between Ferrero and Kriek.

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (-, QF; 0-1-0-1) and Andy Murray (F, -; 0-1-0-1) enter the ranking at #95 and #96, respectively. To make room, Aaron Krickstien and Jose Higueras drop out of the top 101.

Other still active players with a ranking in the top 101 are: Lleyon Hewitt (20), Marat Safin (21), Juan Carlos Ferrero (36), David Nalbandian (56), Nikolay Davydenko (64), Fernando Gonzalez (74), Marcos Baghdatis (78), Tommy Haas (84), Rainer Schuttler (86), and Arnaud Clement (88).

1 Rod Laver
2 Roger Federer
3 Pete Sampras
4 Bjorn Borg
5 Ivan Lendl
6 Ken Rosewall
7 Jimmy Connors
8 Andre Agassi
9 John McEnroe
10 Mats Wilander

11 Boris Becker
12 Stefan Edberg
13 Rafael Nadal
14 John Newcombe
15 Jim Courier
16 Guillermo Vilas
17 Arthur Ashe
18 Ilie Nastase
19 Jan Kodes
20 Lleyton Hewitt

21 Marat Safin
22 Pat Rafter
23 Stan Smith
24 Gustavo Kuerten
25 Yegveni Kafelnikov
26 Andy Roddick
27 Michael Chang
28 Goran Ivanisevic
29 Tony Roche
30 Andres Gimeno

31 Michael Stich
32 Pat Cash
33 Vitas Gerulaitis
34 Roscoe Tanner
35 Sergi Bruguera
36 Juan Carlos Ferrero
37 Novak Djokovic
38 Johann Kriek
39 Carlos Moya
40 Richard Krajicek

41 Manuel Orantes
42 Thomas Muster
43 Petr Korda
44 Yannick Noah
45 Adriano Panatta
46 Miroslav Mecir
47 Todd Martin
48 Cedric Pioline
49 Kevin Curren
50 Alex Corretja

51 Mark Philippoussis
52 Thomas Johansson
53 Albert Costa
54 Andres Gomez
55 Manuel Okker
56 David Nalbandian
57 Henri Leconte
58 Alex Metreveli
59 Harold Solomon
60 Mark Edmondson

61 Tim Henman
62 Brian Teacher
63 Sebastian Grosjean
64 Nicolas Davydenko Nicolas???
65 Raul Ramirez
66 Gaston Gaudio
67 Clark Graebner
68 Brian Gottfried
69 Phil Dent
70 Andrei Medvedev

71 Marcelo Rios
72 Guillermo Coria
73 Dick Crealy
74 Fernando Gonzalez
75 Tim Mayotte
76 Magnus Norman
77 Zeljko Franulovic
78 Marcos Bagdhatis
79 Patrick Proisy
80 Onny Parun

81 Steve Denton
82 Jonas Bjorkman
83 Eddie Dibbs
84 Tommy Haas
85 Victor Pecci
86 Rainer Schuettler
87 Thomas Enqvist
88 Arnaud Clement
89 Kim Warwick
90 Roger Taylor

91 Cliff Richey
92 Wayne Ferreira
93 Tom Gorman
94 John Alexander
95 Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
96 Andy Murray
97 Greg Rusedski
98 Niki Pilic
99 Michael Pernfors
100 Alberto Berasetegui
101 Dick Stockton

102 Aaron Krickstein
103 Jose Higueras
Nikolay, WHY??????? Also your name wasted!!

MAESTRO!


You know...At this point you can place me in every "position" you like.

Also the little sheep (or doggy-style). As you prefer, Olderer.
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This list of yours is close to my "intuitional" list of all-time greats, really.
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Neither of them made it ever to a GS quarterfinal, if I'm not mistaken, hence they wouldn't be in the top 200. Probably not even top 300.

Ah, sorry. They are MTF all-time greats
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Re: The Top 101 Singles Player of the Open era -- an Update Post AO 2009, UO 2008

Interesting list Henry, reasonable and reliable

stroke <- point <- game <- set <- MATCH -> round -> tournament -> season -> career
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Interesting. However, the problem with any sort of systemic approach is you end up with apparent absurdities, eg:

Tim Henman, 0 grand slam finals, 1 masters title, highest ranking 4

....is 10 places higher than.....

Marcelo Rios, 1 grand slam final, 5 masters titles, highest ranking 1



Or the more intuitive kneejerk reaction: if Moya was a better player than Mecir then I'm a Swedish bellydancer.
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I don't think it's the absurdity. The ranking considers Grand Slam tournaments

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Interesting. However, the problem with any sort of systemic approach is you end up with apparent absurdities, eg:

Tim Henman, 0 grand slam finals, 1 masters title, highest ranking 4

....is 10 places higher than.....

Marcelo Rios, 1 grand slam final, 5 masters titles, highest ranking 1



Or the more intuitive kneejerk reaction: if Moya was a better player than Mecir then I'm a Swedish bellydancer.
if it were better careers... no problem with the lists...

talent or prowess is too subjective to judge tho i agree with both your examples... though, not sure talent is how henry judge's these things...

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Could you post your points system for this ranking?
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Could you post your points system for this ranking?

I agree. I think what's more interesting than the list itself is how it was created.
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