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Will the AO loss help to change Roger

I think this AO loss was a wakeup call for Roger. I think he nows really why he is not number 1 and why he is not the player he once was. It is clear that he got the game to beat anyone but the mental part of his game declined and some part of his game breakdown from time to time. Do you think Roger now will get a full time coach? Do you think he should get a coach like Paul Annacone who helped Pete Sampras or someone else? In my opinion, I think it is time Roger calls in the calvary ( a good coaching staff) so he can do what Andre and Pete did where they won slams late in their 20's and 30's. In my opinion, Roger can last and stay in the game longer because he does not wear out his body where as Rafael may not last that long due to this. This is just my opinion. What do you all think?
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Mentally he's all over the shop.

Technically and physically not many issues, he could be better on the backhand, but he is the last of dying breed for the single-handed backhand and there's little to chance of changing that now!

I think it's time he mentally readjusts, he can win, but won't win all the time. His career is past his peak and he should just enjoy the Tennis, but retain a respectability that he deserves.
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Re: Will the AO loss help to change Roger

Well, he is 28 soon so he won't be able to change much in his playing style now. He can change something only in mentality, but that would require a good coach like you say. Not the coach from technical side of the game, Federer won't change his game even if Chuck Norris forced him to do so. Rather some good motivator, who will kick him in the ass and hit his ego with a crowbar.

I believe that Fed has enough motivation to win 2-4 Slams more and with a little fix in his head - he can achieve it sooner or later.

If he decides to stay on his own - he is doomed.
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To be honest what Federer needs isn't a tennis coach, it is a sports psychologist. I don't mean that in jest, nor do I say it to be mean. A lot of people can benefit from a bit of therapy. Federer has had an extraordinary life and it isn't that surprising this has had an effect on him emotionally. He needs to get over this thing of needing to win to feel emotionally forfilled and to start to develop some self esteem for more than just being a great tennis player. Federer looks very fragile to me. He seems totally unprepaired for coping with the possibility that he may never be the best player in the world again and indeed that sometime in the future he won't even be able to compete on the tour. All this obviously has a serious knock on effect on his ability to be tough and focused mentally when he plays a player who is as strong mentally as Nadal.

Many professional atheletes use sports psychologists and often with very good results. It is nothing to be ashamed of. It is far worse to have a problem and have too much pride to address it.

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I hope not

I want it NOT TO CHANGE.

Anyway, even if he changed his game, he would be demolished by Nadal

He shouldn't be obsessed by Nadal : it's normal, young players happen to beat old ones. And this one is so brutal and strong ...

Records ?

Bullshit !!

At least for me : what I hope mostly is that he isn't obsessed about these stupid records and about Nadal.

Just play his game, to still enjoy it for some years.
I hope he will play at 35 like Santoro.

But I really don't care about competition with records and with this young bully whom Nadal is.

Federer, Nalbandian, Gasquet, Youzhny, Stepanek : please give us still some pieces of not-modern, technical tennis style

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I hope not

I want it NOT TO CHANGE.

Anyway, even if he changed his game, he would be demolished by Nadal

He shouldn't be obsessed by Nadal : it's normal, young players happen to beat old ones. And this one is so brutal and strong ...

Records ?

Bullshit !!

At least for me : what I hope mostly is that he isn't obsessed about these stupid records and about Nadal.

Just play his game, to still enjoy it for some years.
I hope he will play at 35 like Santoro.

But I really don't care about competition with records and with this young bully whom Nadal is.

Federer, Nalbandian, Gasquet, Youzhny, Stepanek : please give us still some pieces of not-modern, technical tennis style
I would like to see Federer carry on playing until he is in his mid thirties too. But for Federer to enjoy playing past the point when he is one of the best players in the world he will have to change and change a lot, not how he plays the game but how he sees himself and his place in the game. Federer needs to let go of all the baggage and learn to play again for the pure enjoyment of it without the pressure of winning and losing. To do this I do believe he will need a sports psychologist.

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I would like to see Federer carry on playing until he is in his mid thirties too. But for Federer to enjoy playing past the point when he is one of the best players in the world he will have to change and change a lot, not how he plays the game but how he sees himself and his place in the game. Federer needs to let go of all the baggage and learn to play again for the pure enjoyment of it without the pressure of winning and losing. To do this I do believe he will need a sports psychologist.
I totally agree with that :

he has been too much stuffed with these record issues.

I would love him play until his mid-thirties

... like McEnroe in his olds, who was destroyed by the young players' force but who still was a genious.

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Federer needs a coach but arrogance and hauter will never leave him so he can't change the way he is.

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No, this loss will mess him up mentally. Winning would have helped him. THis loss will deal a much bigger psychological blow than losing to Djokovic last year.
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I would like to see Federer carry on playing until he is in his mid thirties too. But for Federer to enjoy playing past the point when he is one of the best players in the world he will have to change and change a lot, not how he plays the game but how he sees himself and his place in the game. Federer needs to let go of all the baggage and learn to play again for the pure enjoyment of it without the pressure of winning and losing. To do this I do believe he will need a sports psychologist.
true enough... there is a train of thought that would go: if fed really enjoyed his tennis, then, there may have been some honour in being beaten by the better warrior on that day

i think you're right... the two imposters are not being treated both the same...

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Re: Will the AO loss help to change Roger

it's easy to say you love a game where u always win.

he always showed his true face in losses. an arrogant, stubborn man.

don't think he'll hire anyone, and too bad for him.

not saying he won't win another slam like this, but he'd be better off with someone to guide him. better off psyche wise, not necessarily tennis wise.

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that is the hope

if he comes back from this and wins another GS, then he will redeem himself as the GOAT champion in my eyes
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Depends what he will do about it. He has a chance to work in a couple of things, as his confidence and another issues. The tournament showed that his tennis and shape are fine. I agree with the sports psychologists, It will be great for him.
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Depends what he will do about it. He has a chance to work in a couple of things, as his confidence and another issues. The tournament showed that his tennis and shape are fine. I agree with the sports psychologists, It will be great for him.
I wouldn't listen to them if my life depended on it.
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that is the hope

if he comes back from this and wins another GS, then he will redeem himself as the GOAT champion in my eyes
He's done it once already at the USopen. That summer was just dreadful. His losses on the hardcourts in the Masters Series were the worst I've seen Federer ever play. I only hope he doesn't crash again like post-Wimbledon.
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