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I wouldnt be supprised if Roger retired soon

Seriously I wouldn't. Heres why.

Alot of people who critisize Federer being the GOAT say that his era has been weak but then I dont buy that.

However there is some truth to the other reason why he possibly isn't the GOAT;

Pervious GOAT contenders, Sampras, Agassi, Laver, Borg, Mcenore etc all had to win multiple grand slam titles when there were other GOAT contenders around at the same time and had to win matches against them.

Look at the people Federer has beaten for his titles. Phillipousis, Safin, Roddick, Djokovic, Bagdatis, Gonzalez, Hewitt.

Most of them are one or none slam wonders.

Sure if someone had been around to challenge him he probably would have won a lot of those titles but in many of those matches like Djoker in 07 and Nadal wimbly in 07 he really didn't play that well but got away with it, someone better would have taken their chances and beat him.

The only player at the moment who is possibly in his League is Nadal. And guess what, he can't beat him anymore. The only times he was beating him was when he was younger and not mentally strong. Same with Djoker and Murray. He cant really beat them anymore the same way.

He really should have won that match last night as both played pretty badly. But he didnt and he cant take it back now. Its going to be so much tougher now. The federer era is over and as it should be, hes 27 and a half, he cant achieve much more in his career.

I dont think GOAT players should be judged on GS titles totally.

Why should he stick around just for the hope of picking up the odd title to break some meaningless record? Borg didn't for exaclty the same reason. Theres no point in hanging round when your past it. If you cant play your best anymore why play at all at this level?

Federer has done the game proud over the years. I remember watching him win his 6th or 7th title at AO in 06 and have wathched him ever since. But we knew it wouldn't last forever. I could accept the "hell be back" thing after the AO last year but I can't accept it now. Im a huge fan of him but its time for curtains I think.

The only reason i can think of for him sticking around is to make more money but he hardly needs it. Records are made to be broken and even if he wins 17 titles someone will get it eventually its bound to happen. Hes not interested in picking up cookie plates anymore. Die with some dignity I say.

Does anyone else agree?

Bear in mind any critisism of rogers GOAT staus due to a weak era also applies to nadal too. Maybe its why fans of each fight so much on here?
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Re: I wouldnt be supprised if Roger retired soon

I think Fed should retire when his game doesn't cut it anymore. Thats is not the case, he had the shots to win. He has some mental problems. he needs to fix that. he won't retire anytime soon. He cried because as he said himself, Mirka and Tennis is his whole Life.
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Re: I wouldnt be supprised if Roger retired soon

federer's viewpoint would be something like :"i'm still better than everyone, including rafa, and i can beat them anytime"

realistic view: he can still fluke a slam like USO last year.

probable scenario: he's gonna stick around some more, and that will eventually happen.

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Re: I wouldnt be supprised if Roger retired soon

If Federer "should" retire, then 90% of the tour should retire too. Like.... aren't they all losing matches? Some of them can't even win ONE grand slam! Here's this guy who "should" retire because he can't beat Nadal??? Is this a joke?

And sometimes I wonder why people think Ferrero should retire, now I know why!

*shock horror* maybe playing tennis isn't always about winning! Maybe it's because these people love the game? Is it possible that it could be more about doing something you love rather than winning/money/fame???
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Re: I wouldnt be supprised if Roger retired soon

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I think Fed should retire when his game doesn't cut it anymore. Thats is not the case, he had the shots to win. He has some mental problems. he needs to fix that. he won't retire anytime soon. He cried because as he said himself, Mirka and Tennis is his whole Life.
It's true he did have the game to win last night but he didn't win and he can never take that back. I think hes pretty well stuffed as guys like Murray and Tsonga and Nadal are now hitting their straps just as federer did at their age.

Hes going to be in for a lot more hurt if he hangs around for 3 more years in the hope of picking up the odd wimbledon or odd Us Open. A lot more tears. And I dont think he can take it anymore. What kind of effect will it have on his mind and his body?

Sure Borg and Henins retirements were probably a tad premature but I can see why they did it now.

Even the Die hard Fed Fans admit the days of winning 3 slams a year are over. They are only hoping he can pick up the odd one to break that record. Tennis for Federer only got worse since getting Samprases record became his only goal IMO. During 2007. When he just focused on playing the best he could play and he steamrolled just about everyone in front of him. Those days are over now.

Sure he has the shots. You never lose that, look at Sampras even now. But tennis is a total package. You need to have it all.

Federer already has God status, 44 million, olympic gold, a hero and flagbearer in his home country, world fame, a beautiful women and his relative youth. What more could a person ask for and what more could a person achieve?
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roger wouldn't be so foolish to reitre when he is just within 2 more slams to become the greatest ever

his fans will get over it very soon after he won a big title

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It's true he did have the game to win last night but he didn't win and he can never take that back. I think hes pretty well stuffed as guys like Murray and Tsonga and Nadal are now hitting their straps just as federer did at their age.

Hes going to be in for a lot more hurt if he hangs around for 3 more years in the hope of picking up the odd wimbledon or odd Us Open. A lot more tears. And I dont think he can take it anymore. What kind of effect will it have on his mind and his body?

Sure Borg and Henins retirements were probably a tad premature but I can see why they did it now.

Even the Die hard Fed Fans admit the days of winning 3 slams a year are over. They are only hoping he can pick up the odd one to break that record. Tennis for Federer only got worse since getting Samprases record became his only goal IMO. During 2007. When he just focused on playing the best he could play and he steamrolled just about everyone in front of him. Those days are over now.

Sure he has the shots. You never lose that, look at Sampras even now. But tennis is a total package. You need to have it all.

Federer already has God status, 44 million, olympic gold, a hero and flagbearer in his home country, world fame, a beautiful women and his relative youth. What more could a person ask for and what more could a person achieve?
As long as he shows up in every slam final. he might hang in there. He would be pretty insane to retire now.
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Re: I wouldnt be supprised if Roger retired soon

as roger said himself, lost to nadal is killing him. he doesnt care its no.2 or runner up... he thinks about himself only all the time...
he shows no respect to the person who beat him. i lost my respect to roger...

yep, go retired roger. i won't be surprised either.
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Re: I wouldnt be supprised if Roger retired soon

I don't know. I actually partly agree with this statement, because it wouldn't surprise me if he has entertained the thought sometime recently. You'd have to wonder what the incentive behind keeping on going in a sport thats so demanding on your body and even your life in general (eg being away from family, constant travelling) if you've got nothing more to gain. At his worst point, Federer must have thought that he doesn't have what it takes to beat Nadal anymore, and his loss yesterday would have somewhat confirmed that in his mind. If he thinks that Nadal is going to beat him every single time he plays Roland Garros (which is probable), then whats the incentive? And if Federer's only future grand slams come by beating opponents other than Rafa, then will it have the same significance? Sure, Federer's aiming for the history books, but is it really worth the physical and emotional toll?

What I just said might just be a load of shit, but thats I how percieve his thought process to be at the worst of times, and I truly hope that he doesn't retire, because he's still got so much to give to the game, and he's still got many up and coming players to inspire, on and off the court. I don't think he will retire, but I can see why he might consider it.

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Re: I wouldnt be supprised if Roger retired soon

The season has only begun, and the guy reached the AO final and lost it in 5 sets. He dominated the world number 6 and destroyed the world number 7.

He has made the last 19 consecutive Grand-Slam final four, in which he reached the finals 16 times, and won 11 of them.

Once he DOESNT make the final four of a Grand Slam (which hasn't happened for almost 5 years) we can begin talking about retirement.

Let's not forget that there's still a good chance he wins 2 slams this year. There's no reason why he shouldn't win the US Open again (he made it look so easy last time) and the Wimbledon final was extremely close. The guy was down two sets and very narrowly lost the fifth.

Until the next three Grand Slams are played I don't think we can draw ANY conclusions whatsoever.

He has been playing and winning Grand Slam finals every year since 2003. If he fails to make any of them in 2010 (he's already made one this year) then we can start to speculate on the end of his career.

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Re: I wouldnt be supprised if Roger retired soon

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If Federer "should" retire, then 90% of the tour should retire too. Like.... aren't they all losing matches? Some of them can't even win ONE grand slam! Here's this guy who "should" retire because he can't beat Nadal??? Is this a joke?

And sometimes I wonder why people think Ferrero should retire, now I know why!

*shock horror* maybe playing tennis isn't always about winning! Maybe it's because these people love the game? Is it possible that it could be more about doing something you love rather than winning/money/fame???
Different players different goals. Fed has stated his main goals. No.1 and Wimbledon. Nothing less will be good enough. At this stage it looks unlikely.

Its not like i mean right this second. Just think people who expect him to play for another 4 year or whatever are misguided.

Also, in these times, players might need more money or whatever to secure their futures, guys in feds age bracket.
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as roger said himself, lost to nadal is killing him. he doesnt care its no.2 or runner up... he thinks about himself only all the time...
he shows no respect to the person who beat him. i lost my respect to roger...

yep, go retired roger. i won't be surprised either.
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Not expect him to retire but he better take a holiday off to fix his serious mental problems. He should get over Nadal and find a way to beat him. It's painful but Fed has to admit Nadal is the better one, and that players like Murray,Djokovic can play better tennis than him on some day.
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Different players different goals. Fed has stated his main goals. No.1 and Wimbledon. Nothing less will be good enough. At this stage it looks unlikely.
I don't think there's enough evidence yet to say this. Let's not forget that the only person to test Federer at the last 6 Wimbledon championships was Nadal. Check this out:

2003: lost 1 set to Mardy Fish

2004: lost 1 set to Hewitt, 1 set to Roddick

2005: lost 1 set to Kiefer

2006: lost 1 set to Nadal

2007: lost 1 set to Ferrero, 2 sets to Nadal

2008: lost 3 sets to Nadal

The one time he did lose was in a very tightly contested match and Nadal was playing amazing tennis, even by his standards.

The only proven threat to Federer at Wimbledon (and Roland Garros for that matter) is an in-form Nadal.

It would only take an off-day from Nadal for Federer to take Wimbledon, and that would leave him with one slam to beat the record.

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Re: I wouldnt be supprised if Roger retired soon

I would be VERY surprised if he retired anytime soon, he loves the game, and one loss or many losses to his rival won't be a good enough reason to retire.

the man said so many times that he wants to be in the tour till at least 2012 London Olympics and then he will set a new goal wheather he will continue for a few years or retire, it's not even a definitive decision yet.

and for those who say he SHOULD retire, this is a big load of , why would a guy who make finals and semi-finals every single Slam think of retiring? and even if he lost the first round of a slam suddenly does that mean he should retire? what kind of logic is that? players win and lose and many lose more often than they win should they retire too?

a player retires when he doesn't have anything left in the tank to compete wheather it's old age (33+) or injury or special circumstances, not all players are Borgs and not all are Santoros either.

the 27 years old #2 player in the world should retire because he lost a Grand Slam final? just listen to yourself.

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