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Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

There are major differences between these two rivalries, but it's interesting to note that Graf was dominating for years, possibly to become the best of all time, then Seles, a few years younger, appeared on the scene.

Seles began her own domination, winning 3 of the four slams, including the French three times in a row, and took over the No. 1 position from Graf, who became No. 2. At the AO 1993, Seles beat Graf 36 63 62.

Of course, Seles never dominated Graf and never could figure out Wimbledon, but I think Fed/Nadal reflects this rivalry more than any other in recent history.
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Re: Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

You missed something: Monica Seles was also a left hander O_o

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Re: Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

very good pick up, just when I thought we were all out of Federer Nadal analogies. And you are quite correct, Seles was considered a force of Nature, mentally rock solid and a more forcefull rather than artistic game, quite similar to Nadal.

And likewise, Graf was considered the one with the more plesant, flexible game, but who was also losing ground to the young force of nature seles. Similarity in many ways...
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Re: Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

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Re: Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

Big difference (when you cast Graf as Federer), that Graf ended up leading that H2H 10-5...
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Re: Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

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Big difference (when you cast Graf as Federer), that Graf ended up leading that H2H 10-5...
Yeah, that's why I said Seles never dominated Graf

However, Graf at that time was starting to fall to other players (Arantxa, Gabriela) and that didn't help matters, such as Federer falling to Nole, Andy Murray doesn't help matters.
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Re: Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

Both graf & federer had the FH as their foremost weapon.
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Re: Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

So the best way for Roger to get those records he so badly wants is to have some Swiss maniac stab Rafa in the back?

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Big difference (when you cast Graf as Federer), that Graf ended up leading that H2H 10-5...
True, but in Slam finals before the stabbing Seles led 3-1. Monica was totally dominating the Slams, except for Wimbledon.
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Big difference (when you cast Graf as Federer), that Graf ended up leading that H2H 10-5...
That, of course, was all thanks to a crazed fan and a large boning knife that left Seles out of action for over two years.
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Re: Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

Graf clearly ended as best singles player in open era...too much for Federer and Nadal...Graf overall 22 slams compared to Federer+Nadal together still trailing at 21...
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Re: Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

Even when Seles was number 1 Graf had h2h in her favour 3;2...
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Re: Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

I can totally understand the temptation to want to draw comparisons and you've pointed out some good ones. On the surface it makes sense but when you start to disect it you also find way too many differences- important differences.

One difference is that Monica never managed to beat Graf on any other surface other than clay and rebound ace- not once did she ever beat Graf on a traditional hard court, indoors, or on grass. On the other hand, Graf has beaten Seles on all surfaces (never at Oz though). This example kinda reverses the Nadal-Fed trend where Nadal seems to be able to get the upper hand against Fed regardless of surface.
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Re: Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

Pretty insightful comparison. There was also a bit of a mental issue for Graf; it was clear she really wasn't that sure about what to do. Faster surfaces, like grass, made things very clear for her (a difference from Federer). But on clay and slower hard courts, you saw her struggling to construct and stick with a game plan to counter this new challenge.

She would later develop the tools, strategy and confidence to neutralize Seles. But that, unfortunately, was partly due to the two-year breathing room given to her by a fan.

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Re: Fed/Nadal starting to remind me of Graf/Seles

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