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Was Roger Really The 2nd Best?

I was just thinking, with the way Verdasco pushed Rafa the other day, he might have actually had a chance against Roger. He has a better serve and was way consistent this tournament. And let's not forget he showed more guts against Rafa than Roger (too bad he double faulted on that match point or they would have played for another couple of hours).

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I was just thinking, with the way Verdasco pushed Rafa the other day, he might have actually had a chance against Roger. He has a better serve and was way consistent this tournament. And let's not forget he showed more guts against Rafa than Roger (too bad he double faulted on that match point or they would have played for another couple of hours).
Roger has no mental block against Verdasko.. Think about it. Roger has actually outplayed Rafa in each of the first four sets. Only some sudden severe mental seizures prevented him from winning it in 3 or 4. He could not win it in 5, really.
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I don't know about that. It's not really about a mental block but rather Roger's inability to find the right tactic. It's not as if Roger has never beaten Rafa. I'd say beating someone 6 times should give you some confidence. I really think the career trajectory of these guys changed when Roger put that forehand wide in that match in Rome (5 setter, Match point, clay). Had Roger beaten Rafa in that 5 setter, we have seen a different story between these two.

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Every match they've played lately has come down to two things, how well Fed serves, and how well he deals with Nadal's 2nd serve. Today he did #1 ok at times, but he was atrocious on dealing with Nadal's second serve.

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Re: Was Roger Really The 2nd Best?

No Verdasco was clearly the 2nd best player this tournament. Bottom half of draw was weak Rodduck and Faker (who is in a bit of a state recently).

Murray or Tsonga would've presented a greater challenge to Fed than anyone in the whole of the bottom half.

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No Verdasco was clearly the 2nd best player this tournament. Bottom half of draw was weak Rodduck and Faker (who is in a bit of a state recently).

Murray or Tsonga would've presented a greater challenge to Fed than anyone in the whole of the bottom half.
Federer would have hammered Verdasco. Completely different match up which plays right into Federer's hands, he would have loved the pace Verdasco would have fed him - something he never gets from Nadal.
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Federer should have lost to Berdych actually. He had no business being in the final today. Good for Rafa, I suppose.

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Federer would have hammered Verdasco. Completely different match up which plays right into Federer's hands, he would have loved the pace Verdasco would have fed him - something he never gets from Nadal.
Yeah. But Verdasco is a lefty with a much better serve and he was way too consistent. He did beat Murray, who has been a big problem for Roger. I thought Simon would pose the biggest problem to Rafa but he just couldn't take advantage of his set point.

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"Verdasco gave Nadal the sturnest test at AO 2009."
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Federer should have lost to Berdych actually. He had no business being in the final today. Good for Rafa, I suppose.
So it should have been Verdasco vs Berdych..

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Obviously not

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Re: Was Roger Really The 2nd Best?

Nando did push Rogi at Kooyong, it did get pretty close, does that count for anything or don't exhibitions apply?

But I agree there wouldn't be such a mental hurdle in a Nando match
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What is this??????????This is.......

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You know...At this point you can place me in every "position" you like.

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"Verdasco gave Nadal the sturnest test at AO 2009."
True.
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