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Is this the end of nadal's dominance of clay?

Yes he has just won the australian open, and this is not a nadal hater thread but I just get the feeling now that he will get to RG and will finally suffer an unexpected loss to someone you wouldnt expect him to but will be his rival at RG over the next few years and will be an awful match up for nadal?

Why do I think this?

Because Nadal finally has changed his game for hard courts, he is still moonballing though.
One thing however is he is vunerable at RG this year, because he will be used to playing on hard courts, he will have to lose sometime and someone else will come along and beat him because they are a bad matchup for him. They will probably be a lefty, or have a big (Gaudioesque) backhand down the line if they are a righty.

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Yes he has just won the australian open, and this is not a nadal hater thread but I just get the feeling now that he will get to RG and will finally suffer an unexpected loss to someone you wouldnt expect him to but will be his rival at RG over the next few years and will be an awful match up for nadal?

Why do I think this?

Because Nadal finally has changed his game for hard courts, he is still moonballing though.
One thing however is he is vunerable at RG this year, because he will be used to playing on hard courts, he will have to lose sometime and someone else will come along and beat him because they are a bad matchup for him. They will probably be a lefty, or have a big (Gaudioesque) backhand down the line if they are a righty.

The only two guys that I can see ever challenging Nadal on clay are Del Potro and Monfils. And that's a big if. Del Potro was actually close to taking a set off Nadal last year (he choked when serving for it), but he is a different player this year. I know Nadal fans want to believe Rafa is God but there will be someone who will come and beat Rafa just like Rafa is doing it to Roger.

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I know Nadal fans want to believe Rafa is God but there will be someone who will come and beat Rafa just like Rafa is doing it to Roger.
Exactly ! It happens to all of them sooner or later. That's why these guys really need to enjoy their time at the top. In the overall scheme of things, it really doesn't last that long.

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Actually, it has to happen someday. A fluke loss can happen to every ingle person. So ,if it's not this year, it will be next, I think.

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Re: Is this the end of nadal's dominance of clay?

So when Nadal loses on hardcourt, people predict his clay demise, but when he wins a hardcourt slam...people still predict his clay demise

Realistically, he won't have trouble defending RG. Wimbledon will be interesting, though

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And let's not forget that Rafa is giving 120% for every match. His life span (playing time at the top) will be shorter. I think Rafa will be a factor for at least 4 more years but winning 2 slams a year? I don't know. If he starts losing at RG, all the aura he has right now will be gone. Similar to what he did to Roger.

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Yes he has just won the australian open, and this is not a nadal hater thread but I just get the feeling now that he will get to RG and will finally suffer an unexpected loss to someone you wouldnt expect him to but will be his rival at RG over the next few years and will be an awful match up for nadal?

Why do I think this?

Because Nadal finally has changed his game for hard courts, he is still moonballing though.
One thing however is he is vunerable at RG this year, because he will be used to playing on hard courts, he will have to lose sometime and someone else will come along and beat him because they are a bad matchup for him. They will probably be a lefty, or have a big (Gaudioesque) backhand down the line if they are a righty.

Wishful thinking.

I still am waiting to see Fit Dave eat Nadal up on clay. Nalbandian is the only player I have seen who is really looking forward everytime to each moonball forehand to his backhand, I mean it is just one hell of a bad matchup for Nadal. But I dont think we will ever see a Fit Dave again on court, he is just too depressed after Davis Cup last year and that takes alot of eating to make the pain go away.
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yup, it's all over for rafa now.
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I agree completely, there is no doubt that Roger will finally pull off the RG upset this year, completing his Grand Slam and proving once and for all that he is THE definitive Greatest Of All Time.

Of course Rafa may steal the US Open sooner or later to equal Rog's GS but he'd still have years of winning slams to ever come close to Roger's overall record.

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But I dont think we will ever see a Fit Dave again on court, he is just too depressed after Davis Cup last year and that takes alot of eating to make the pain go away.
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Re: Is this the end of nadal's dominance of clay?

of course. playing good on hard means bad on clay. look at federer.
and now federer playing bad on hard so must be good on clay!

what a logic! so good federer for your 14th in RG! nadal is over!
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Re: Is this the end of nadal's dominance of clay?

Nadal will win Roland Garros with no trouble!!

HES JUST 2 GOOD ON CLAY ON CLAY!!

Wanna see his schedule for the Clay season!

Hope he doesnt play 4 clay tournaments b4 French Open and just play the 3!

NO WAY NADAL WILL LOOSE HIS FRENCH OPEN TITLE!!

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of course. playing good on hard means bad on clay. look at federer.
and now federer playing bad on hard so must be good on clay!
Exactly! A winning game on one just doesn't work on the other.

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Re: Is this the end of nadal's dominance of clay?

Nadal is a typical dirtballer, growing up in a Spanish tennis culture, he practically grew up on clay as the only surface that mattered. Not to mention, physically he's best suited for that surface, and will end up losing his grip on the hard courts before he loses his "clay king" status. Hard courts are harder on his ankles and knees, already taking a beating now at 22, add to the fact his style of playing is hard enough on his body as it is. He will hold on to his clay titles longer than the HC ones, makes more sense to me.
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Interesting logic from the thread starter the only way Rafa is losing at RG in the next 3 years is because of injury.
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Wishful thinking.

I still am waiting to see Fit Dave eat Nadal up on clay. Nalbandian is the only player I have seen who is really looking forward everytime to each moonball forehand to his backhand, I mean it is just one hell of a bad matchup for Nadal. But I dont think we will ever see a Fit Dave again on court, he is just too depressed after Davis Cup last year and that takes alot of eating to make the pain go away.
Nalbandian wouldn't win more than 8 games against Nadal on a clay court. Hope this helps.
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