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post #4096 of 5143 (permalink) Old 07-28-2012, 05:37 AM
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This. I remember people used to call Federer the Goat back when he had "only" 12 slams because of his elegant all round game, ability to make amazing shots at will and the effortless way he beat his opponents.
And they were right.
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And they were right.
Can't say I agree with you. Back at 12, Federer was not accomplished enough, as I said at the time. "Why the hurry"? I said. "He will get there eventually". He did.
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Can't say I agree with you. Back at 12, Federer was not accomplished enough, as I said at the time. "Why the hurry"? I said. "He will get there eventually". He did.
how is enough depend your opinion. Borg with 11 GS is still in GOAT discussion because he is superior at some records. I believe Fed at 12 had already many records in his bag
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Fed was already on his way to being goat after 2004 USO
But he didn't cement his place until 2009

Nole has a long way to go
He's got potential
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how is enough depend your opinion. Borg with 11 GS is still in GOAT discussion because he is superior at some records. I believe Fed at 12 had already many records in his bag
Yes, of course, I am talking about my opinion, not an objective standard. Borg is one of those I had ahead of Federer back when Fed was on 12. Fed's records at the time were impressive, sure, but I always felt naming him GOAT at the time depended of "future accounting", in other words taking more titles for granted. And the tendency many fans have of wanting to name an active player GOAT. Much more fun seeing him in action than to acknowledge that the GOAT has been retired for some time. I have seen that tendency a lot in several different sports - athletics, swimming, football, golf, cross-country skiing etc.
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He needed to hold all four slams by winning RG'12. Let's see what the future holds, as of now, no.

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He needed to hold all four slams by winning RG'12. Let's see what the future holds, as of now, no.
That ship has sailed. And unless nadal loses a limb RG'13 is out of rreach too.
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That ship has sailed. And unless nadal loses a limb RG'13 is out of rreach too.
Maybe if it rains non stop and they decide to just get on with it. Only way Nole is getting near that trophy.

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Everyone except the most delusional Noletards know that Novak still has a long way to go before entering this discussion. (This goes for Nadal as well.)

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Everyone except the most delusional Noletards know that Novak still has a long way to go before entering this discussion. (This goes for Nadal as well.)

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Everyone except the most delusional Noletards know that Novak still has a long way to go before entering this discussion. (This goes for Nadal as well.)

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Nadal, i think, can be included in the discussion (not that he will wim) since he has dominated clay completely. He has also shown enough prowess and results on other surfaces to have a case in his favour.
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You would be have to be out if your mind to include anyone without 10 slams minimum in the GOAT discussion.
After 10 ypu can at least make a case. Example- laver winning the calendar slam.
Have you got proof that your claim is a fact?
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You would be have to be out if your mind to include anyone without 10 slams minimum in the GOAT discussion.
After 10 ypu can at least make a case. Example- laver winning the calendar slam.
Laver won more slams than Federer. I don't know what you're talking about.
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Laver won more slams than Federer. I don't know what you're talking about.
Open era?
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Laver won more slams than Federer. I don't know what you're talking about.
You're counting pro slams? I don't think that is entirely fair. Laver won several amateur slams without competition from the pros, and several pro slams without competition from the amateurs. All of them cannot be of equal value. Only his last five came in the Open Era, with all the best competing.
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