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Does Federer's H2H record against Nadal raise questions about his legacy?

How can you be the GOAT if your biggest rival has beaten you on every surface in grand slam finals, holds a career winning record over you and has a winning record overall in grand slam finals??
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i agree, he cant...

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Re: Federer's legacy is in tatters

This is a point that other's have made as well (e.g. Brad Gilbert).

I think this will be a big problem for him and his legacy, unless he turns it around somehow (in slams at least) before he bows out.
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Federer is a joke.... he needs to retire before he further embarrasses the sport.

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Re: Federer's legacy is in tatters

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How can you be the GOAT if your biggest rival has beaten you on every surface in grand slam finals, holds a career winning record over you and has a winning record overall in grand slam finals??
TRUE!! I would not say Roger's reputation is quite in tattere, but now that he has another great player to compete against he no longer can be the GOAT. NOT YET!! BRAVO RAFA YOU ARE TODAY'S GREATEST AND PERHAPS THE GOAT.
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such a crybaby out there
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Re: Federer's legacy is in tatters

Its called matchup. Nadal is a matchup made in hell for Federer, every weapon Federer has Nadal can neutralize it while Nadals weapons go straight to Federers weaknesses.

Lets see now, Federer cant use his slice as it goes straight to Nadals low swinging forehand which can rip it apart without any problems. He cant even return serves with a slice. Federers forehand is very easy to defend against for Nadal because it is not flat and hard like Tsonga or Djokovic. Federers approach shots are great against anyone except Nadal who constantly destroy Federer at the net. Federers serve is not really powerful enought to make it unreturnable for Nadal.

Now to Nadals strengths: The forehand crosscourt with alot of spin goes straight to Federers weakness, the backhand. Normaly it wouldnt be a weakness because his backhand crosscourt slice is one of the greatest defensive shots in the game, but as he barely can use it against Nadal he needs to invent crazy things with his backhand. Slice it down the line or hit crazy crosscourt flicks high on his backhand. Nadals serve is not powerful like Federer likes serves to be, it has alot of spin, which means just blocking it or slicing it like Federer likes to do wont do it. Nadals second serve is very weak but as Federer doesnt like to attack second serves he cant get any advantage on Nadals weakes shot.

So what we have is Nadal just fitting into the description of the player to beat Federer like a glove fits on a hand, it is just destiny. Federer had the worst imaginable opponent in the history of tennis to play in his era and face him in grand slam final after grand slam final.

I dont even care about all this talk about how Federer is a mental dwarf against Nadal, I think mentaly he is slightly less strong than he usually is but that is not a surprise when he has to face such an uncomfortable opponent with an answer to every weapon from Federer and with weapons which Federer cant answer.
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Doesn't help that he went Novotna as he accepted another runner's up trophy......

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He'll have to hope he doesn't face Nadal in U.S. Open ..

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How can you be the GOAT if your biggest rival has beaten you on every surface in grand slam finals, holds a career winning record over you and has a winning record overall in grand slam finals??
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Re: Federer's legacy is in tatters

His legacy is just fine, in 10-15 years no one will remember the exact losses and wins, they'll just say "Federer is a 13 (maybe 14-15)-time Slam winner who lost a couple of 5-setters to another All-Time Great". All of those losses in clay Masters Series tourneys won't matter that much. He won his Slams, that's what will count.
He has his game and dominance to show for it. Sure, Nadal was beating him when he (Rafa) was entering his prime while Roger was already over the hill. So what?
P.S. In a couple of years or whenever Rafa's legs and knees will start betraying him, a lot of people will spew the same bullshit about "mug era for clay", "he was lucky to face Federer who was bad on clay", "he only won ... Slams off clay" (and if it's fewer than 5 or 6, people will call them lucky). That's revisionist history at its finest.

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c'mon Roger, show him you got some steel balls and beat him in French Open at last...I've had enough of bending over
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Re: Federer's legacy is in tatters

Was Federer ever really a great player? Have we been deceived all these years? I'm starting to wonder...

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Was Federer ever really a great player? Have we been deceived all these years? I'm starting to wonder...

Well most of his grand slams came against a server like Roddick, a runner like Hewitt and a nothing like Ferrero.

Now he has a real rival, he's flopping.
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