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Looking to your player box to confirm a line call. Should it be allowed?

In the match between Monfils and Almagro, Monfils played a wonderful forehand down the line shot. After contemplating the ,line call, Almagro looks to his player box and decides to challenge. The umpire doesn't let Almagro challenge the line call. This is not in the rule book. Referring to player box is allowed.

However, should confirming line calls by consulting the player box be allowed?

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Re: Looking to your player box to confirm a line call. Should it be allowed?

Norm Chryst made up his own rules.

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so it aint from the rules
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Re: Looking to your player box to confirm a line call. Should it be allowed?

Not really because it affects the player's ability to make up their own mind about the line call or lack of one. It's also like a second opinion before you make an official challenge which is unfair, and as far as I know consulting with coaches during a match is against the laws of the game.
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Not really because it affects the player's ability to make up their own mind about the line call or lack of one. It's also like a second opinion before you make an official challenge which is unfair, and as far as I know consulting with coaches during a match is against the laws of the game.
Reminds me of Dudi Sela secretly doing something with his phone.
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In the match between Monfils and Almagro, Monfils played a wonderful forehand down the line shot. After contemplating the ,line call, Almagro looks to his player box and decides to challenge. The umpire then enforces the rule book by not letting Almagro challenge the line call.

Should confirming line calls by consulting the player box be allowed?
i saw this also. the thing that happened here was that almagro waited way too long before he decided he wanted to challenge the call.
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Re: Looking to your player box to confirm a line call. Should it be allowed?

if not referring line calls to player box was not allowed. it would be pretty hard to enforce. cos someone might be looking to player box for reassurance.

In my view, it has to be allowed.
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if not referring line calls to player box was not allowed. it would be pretty hard to enforce. cos someone might be looking to player box for reassurance.

In my view, it has to be allowed.
the same problem is with coaching. it's pretty hard for the umpires to control what the coaches are saying to there players in foreign languages..
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Re: Looking to your player box to confirm a line call. Should it be allowed?

I don't like it. But I agree that it's hard to enforce. Maybe it would be a good solution to include it in the umpire's area of discretion.
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Re: Looking to your player box to confirm a line call. Should it be allowed?

what I know for sure that it's from the rules is that challenging should take place in a "timely" manner, this is quite an ambiguous term and it is based solely on the umpire's judgement of the time a player spent before asking for a challenge, such a subjective rule can be used/abused in many different ways IMO.

maybe this is what Norm Chryst based his decision on, I haven't seen the incident so I can't say for sure.

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Re: Looking to your player box to confirm a line call. Should it be allowed?

Of course it shouldnt, thats coaching. Dumb thread actually.
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Re: Looking to your player box to confirm a line call. Should it be allowed?

Tennis is an individual sport. It's up to the player whether to challenge, not anyone else. Any help on deciding qualifies as coaching.

For sure this is a tough rule to enforce though, but in Almagro's case he turned his back to the net to talk to his group before deciding to challenge. Right call made by Norm Chryst. Unfortunate that Almagro made a big deal out of it and lost his head totally after that.
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of course its coaching, but can it be enforced
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Of course it shouldnt, thats coaching. Dumb thread actually.
of course its coaching, but can it be enforced
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Re: Looking to your player box to confirm a line call. Should it be allowed?

Almagro didn't really take that long to make the challenge.

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