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Charisma

Charisma is this undefinable quality that can make or break interest in a player. McEnroe had it, Lendl didn't, and hence McEnroe is better remembered than Lendl even though Lendl was much more succesful. Agassi had it, Sampras didn't. Ashe had it, Borg had it, Becker had it, Rafter had it, Connors got more and more of it as he grew older. Edberg had it for some, not for others. Courier or Wilander arguably didn't have that much, and neither Stich or Kafelnikov. By contrast, somewhat lesser players like Noah, Leconte, or Ivanisevic had tons of it, and are, as a result, fondly rembered.

Here is how I see some of the current top dogs line up in terms of charisma:

Very high: Nadal, Safin.

High: Federer (as a person he is actually not very charismatic, but his game his), Djokovic, Monfils, Gonzalez, Hewitt

Medium: Murray, Tsonga, Roddick, Nalbandian, Blake,

Low: Davydenko, Gasquet, Ferrer

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Yokozuna: Roger Federer (Dai-Y), Novak Djokovic (Dai-Y), Andy Murray [Rafael Nadal is an inactive Dai-Yokozuna]
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Sekiwake: Tomas Berdych (ex-Ozeki), Milos Raonic
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Re: Charisma

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Here is how I see some of the current top dogs line up in terms of charisma:

Very high: Nadal, Safin.
Nadal isn't even close to being remotely charismatic.
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Nadal isn't even close to being remotely charismatic.

I was only waiting for when this inevitable comment would arrive. Well, I disagree, sir, and I reckon so does most of the tennis world.

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Yokozuna: Roger Federer (Dai-Y), Novak Djokovic (Dai-Y), Andy Murray [Rafael Nadal is an inactive Dai-Yokozuna]
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Sekiwake: Tomas Berdych (ex-Ozeki), Milos Raonic
Komusubi: none

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Del Potro, Ferrer. Sekiwake: Tsonga, Baghdatis, Haas, Raonic, Nishikori, Gasquet. Komusubi: Robredo, Ginepri, Gasquet, Verdasco, Melzer, Monfils, Youzhny, Janowicz, Dimitrov, Gulbis, Kyrgios, Thiem.
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Re: Charisma

I would say that Rafa is like Roger: very charismatic on court and people like them a lot because they are gentlemen (Rafa is a tad bit more shy than Roger but maybe that's because he's younger and doesn't speak english very well), but they aren't charismatic like Marat or Fabrice

Very High: Tsonga, Safin, Santoro, Djoker (even if he usually does it in the wrong way, see USO against the Duck )
High: Roger, Rafa, Hewitt, Feli
Medium: Roddick, Murray, Simon
Low: Davydenko, Gasquet, Wawrinka

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Charisma is this undefinable quality that can make or break interest in a player. McEnroe had it, Lendl didn't, and hence McEnroe is better remembered than Lendl even though Lendl was much more succesful. Agassi had it, Sampras didn't. Ashe had it, Borg had it, Becker had it, Connors got more and more of it as he grew older. Edberg had it for some, not for others. Courier or Wilander arguably didn't have that much, and neither Stich or Kafelnikov. By contrast, somewhat lesser players like Noah, Leconte or Ivanisevic had tons of it, and are, as a result, fondly rembered.

Here is how I see some of the current top dogs line up in terms of charisma:

Very high: Nadal, Safin.

High: Federer (as a person he is actually not very charismatic, but his game his), Djokovic, Murray, Monfils, Gonzalez, Hewitt

Medium: Roddick, Nalbandian, Blake, Tsonga

Low: Davydenko, Gasquet, Ferrer
I agree with all except for two.
Blake=Low
Tsonga=Very high
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imo Tsonga has a huge charisma , just look at how the public reacts when he wins a point etc... he knows how to play with the public
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I agree with all except for two.
Blake=Low
Tsonga=Very high
Fine as regards Blake; but Tsonga's charisma is kinda borrowed because he looks like Ali -- who was of course one of the most charismatic sportspersons ever.

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Current sanyaku ranked players:
Yokozuna: Roger Federer (Dai-Y), Novak Djokovic (Dai-Y), Andy Murray [Rafael Nadal is an inactive Dai-Yokozuna]
Ozeki: Stan Wawrinka (kadoban)
Sekiwake: Tomas Berdych (ex-Ozeki), Milos Raonic
Komusubi: none

Active ex-sanyaku-ranked players
Ozeki:
Del Potro, Ferrer. Sekiwake: Tsonga, Baghdatis, Haas, Raonic, Nishikori, Gasquet. Komusubi: Robredo, Ginepri, Gasquet, Verdasco, Melzer, Monfils, Youzhny, Janowicz, Dimitrov, Gulbis, Kyrgios, Thiem.
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Re: Charisma

Tsonga is very charismatic, both the guy and the game.
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imo Tsonga has a huge charisma , just look at how the public reacts when he wins a point etc... he knows how to play with the public
OK, you already outnumber me...

www.yokozunatennis.blogspot.com

Current sanyaku ranked players:
Yokozuna: Roger Federer (Dai-Y), Novak Djokovic (Dai-Y), Andy Murray [Rafael Nadal is an inactive Dai-Yokozuna]
Ozeki: Stan Wawrinka (kadoban)
Sekiwake: Tomas Berdych (ex-Ozeki), Milos Raonic
Komusubi: none

Active ex-sanyaku-ranked players
Ozeki:
Del Potro, Ferrer. Sekiwake: Tsonga, Baghdatis, Haas, Raonic, Nishikori, Gasquet. Komusubi: Robredo, Ginepri, Gasquet, Verdasco, Melzer, Monfils, Youzhny, Janowicz, Dimitrov, Gulbis, Kyrgios, Thiem.
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Re: Charisma

I think Roger is extremely charismatic as a person.

In all honesty i don't know how a person can not be charismatic but have a game that is.
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I think Roger is extremely charismatic as a person.

In all honesty i don't know how a person can not be charismatic but have a game that is.shrug:
I love to see him play but fall asleep when he gives an interview.

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Current sanyaku ranked players:
Yokozuna: Roger Federer (Dai-Y), Novak Djokovic (Dai-Y), Andy Murray [Rafael Nadal is an inactive Dai-Yokozuna]
Ozeki: Stan Wawrinka (kadoban)
Sekiwake: Tomas Berdych (ex-Ozeki), Milos Raonic
Komusubi: none

Active ex-sanyaku-ranked players
Ozeki:
Del Potro, Ferrer. Sekiwake: Tsonga, Baghdatis, Haas, Raonic, Nishikori, Gasquet. Komusubi: Robredo, Ginepri, Gasquet, Verdasco, Melzer, Monfils, Youzhny, Janowicz, Dimitrov, Gulbis, Kyrgios, Thiem.
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Re: Charisma

I would add Robredo to "low" group.
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Re: Charisma

I also don't consider Nadal particularly charismatic. You think he would be liked as much if he had poorer results? Charismatic guys - Baghdatis, Tsonga, attract crowd support like crazy wherever they go, without necessarily having outstanding results. Success can do wonders to attract fans, but it's not necessarily a sign of charisma.
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Success can do wonders to attract fans, but it's not necessarily a sign of charisma.
I agree entirely. And his interviews are among the most dull as well.
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I love to see him play but fall asleep when he gives an interview.
Maybe he is just boring then.

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I also don't consider Nadal particularly charismatic. You think he would be liked as much if he had poorer results? Charismatic guys - Baghdatis, Tsonga, attract crowd support like crazy wherever they go, without necessarily having outstanding results. Success can do wonders to attract fans, but it's not necessarily a sign of charisma.
This is true.
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