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Guga would own Fed 34 66.67%
Fed would own Guga 4 7.84%
It would be evenly matched up (with Fed having a better head to head winning percentage) 5 9.80%
It would be evenly matched up (with Guga having a better winning percentage) 8 15.69%
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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 12-31-2008, 05:13 PM Thread Starter
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Fed - Guga rivalry on Clay at their primes

How do you guys think these two would match up on clay, had they had many more matches against each other?

On clay, they had played two matches against each other and both had recorded one win (both wins were quite comfortable).

Do you think Federer could have beaten Kuerten at his prime at RG? How do you think this rivalry would have ended up (on clay), if these two had played each other in most clay court tournaments (lets say similar to how Fed and Nadal are today)? I know these are hypothetical questions but I would like to know your thoughts on this.

I personally feel that Fed would lead the head to head against Guga even on clay.

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Re: Fed - Guga rivalry on Clay at their primes

Guga would own Fed
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Re: Fed - Guga rivalry on Clay at their primes

In other words this is just an exercise to make out the Federer is beatdowns he has suffered from Nadal one of the greatest ever on clay, not look so bad.

A has been Kuerten beat Federer on clay. Why would it be even? Federer would have to attack more than he does now, but if you are going to ask the question, then provide some points either way.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Fed - Guga rivalry on Clay at their primes

I think there would be a better comparison between Guga and Rafa, who are both kings of clay

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I think there would be a better comparison between Guga and Rafa, who are both kings of clay
Been done only 1002 times already.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Fed - Guga rivalry on Clay at their primes

I think Kuerten would have the edge over Federer in both of their prime days and I absolutely agree with Nat that the comparison between Rafa and Guga is a better one than the Fed - Guga one even though I think both Rafa and Roger have bigger careers already than Guga. No offense to Guga here.


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Re: Fed - Guga rivalry on Clay at their primes

We have had a lot of discussions regarding Guga and Nadal, but what I wanted to know is whether Fed coudl have tackled Guga at his prime and could he have won the RG already if both these players had their primes at the same time?

My thoughts:

Yes he could have won the RG by now; Fed's main problem today isn't that he is not good player on clay, he is in fact a great player on that surface, but the problem is his inability to handle Nadal's topspin forehands to his backhand side, and also considering Nadal's athletic abilities, it becomes really difficult for him to charge the net and end the points quickly. So I don't see how he could beat Nadal with his classic gamestyle.

Considering Guga was a righty, and not a topspin player with a one handed backhand himself, I think this match up between the two would even out a lot more. Although Guga was a great athlete, I don't think he could attack Fed's backhand as much as what Nadal does now. And if you go to the Federer forehand, you're almost dead most of the times. This will definitely not expose the Fed's weak wing (which is also a considerable weapon against most players, if the ball is quite low).

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A more interesting match-up would have been Guga vs Rafa on clay. Man, I would give Roger's left arm to see that one.

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Guga hit backhands down the line off heavy topspin, he didn't have much of slice, but his single hander could easily get Federer off the court with angles.

Another way of saying that if Federer was born earlier then he'd have won RG at least once.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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A has been Kuerten beat Federer on clay.
A young upcoming Fed beat Guga in 02

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A young upcoming Fed beat Guga in 02
2002 is where the hip problems started, but the basic premise has been worked out here.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Guga hit backhands down the line off heavy topspin, he didn't have much of slice, but his single hander could easily get Federer off the court with angles.

Another way of saying that if Federer was born earlier then he'd have won RG at least once.
You make good points but do you think Guga could handle the Federer's slice comfortably?

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We have had a lot of discussions regarding Guga and Nadal, but what I wanted to know is whether Fed coudl have tackled Guga at his prime and could he have won the RG already if both these players had their primes at the same time?

My thoughts:

Yes he could have won the RG by now; Fed's main problem today isn't that he is not good player on clay, he is in fact a great player on that surface, but the problem is his inability to handle Nadal's topspin forehands to his backhand side, and also considering Nadal's athletic abilities, it becomes really difficult for him to charge the net and end the points quickly. So I don't see how he could beat Nadal with his classic gamestyle.

Considering Guga was a righty, and not a topspin player with a one handed backhand himself, I think this match up between the two would even out a lot more. Although Guga was a great athlete, I don't think he could attack Fed's backhand as much as what Nadal does now. And if you go to the Federer forehand, you're almost dead most of the times. This will definitely not expose the Fed's weak wing (which is also a considerable weapon against most players, if the ball is quite low).
I dunno. Fed lost to Guga at RG even after Guga was a lesser player because of his hip injury. Guga also beat Fed on hardcourt following his hip surgery, and he never really was the same player after his hip surgery.

All of the what ifs can be played out pretty much however anyone wants to depending on their biases. My bias is Guga, of course.
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A young upcoming Fed beat Guga in 02
Guga just returned from his first hip surgery in 02. I estimated he was about 30% of the player who won RG in 2001.
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Re: Fed - Guga rivalry on Clay at their primes

Guga would own Fed. See the RG 04 3rd round match for details. Fed isn't very good on clay. The problem is everyone else excluding Nadull sucks even more. That's why Nadull looks so good on clay, there isn't any other good player on that surface. So then we get these fangirls claiming Nadull is the best ever on clay.

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