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Top 5 in France

France is the country with the *second most* players in the top 100, 14 to be exact. The top 5 in France is Tsonga, Simon, Monfils, Gasquet and Mathieu. For me this is quite a surprising order, since just a year ago Gasquet and Monfils was probably the favorites to be in the top 10 at this point, not Tsonga and Simon. Do you think it will remain this way? Or do you think Gasquet and Monfils can finally live up to their promise? Right now you would have to say the difference is a mental one. Both Tsonga and Simon have shown that they have a strong desire to win, whereas that is a characteristic that is hard to attribute to Gasquet and Monfils, especially Gasquet. What do you think will be the order of these 5 players come the end of 2009? Here is my list:

1)Tsonga
2)Monfils
3)Gasquet
4)Simon
5)Mathieu

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The exact same as now. Tsonga will only get better if he stays injury free so i expect him to stay on top, if not making more headway in the top 10. Gillou is safe me thinks, all he has to do is do well in the Slams as he has nothing to defend from them last year, he could even go higher, maybe to #5 or #6 if hes lucky. Monfils, i can see him staying on the verge of the top 10. Hes an enigma, really talented but some stupid losses cost him. Same goes for Gasquet, except he didnt have a 'couple' of stupid losses, he had loads. Since he has nothing to defend from last year, maybe Top 15. As for Mathieu, dunno. Can see a younger player like Chardy coming taking the fifth spot.
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Re: Top 5 in France

well

1. tsonga
2. tsonga
3. tsonga
4. tsonga
5. tsonga.

the list goes on, of course, but i'll stay within the thread format. the first non-tsonga player comes at #143

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The exact same as now. Tsonga will only get better if he stays injury free so i expect him to stay on top, if not making more headway in the top 10. Gillou is safe me thinks, all he has to do is do well in the Slams as he has nothing to defend from them last year, he could even go higher, maybe to #5 or #6 if hes lucky. Monfils, i can see him staying on the verge of the top 10. Hes an enigma, really talented but some stupid losses cost him. Same goes for Gasquet, except he didnt have a 'couple' of stupid losses, he had loads. Since he has nothing to defend from last year, maybe Top 15. As for Mathieu, dunno. Can see a younger player like Chardy coming taking the fifth spot.
Good point. Someone like Chardy could take the 5th spot. It would be hard to for him to enter the top 4 though.
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France is the country with the most players in the top 100, 14 to be exact.
Spain has 15.

As for the order of the rankings of these players next year, I really don't know at all.

Everything could happen especially between the first 4.

Tsonga, Gasquet and Monfils are utterly unpredictable.
And Simon is still able of beating the best and losing against bad players.

Anyway, I'm mostly interested in their level in the world rankings rather than in the French rankings ... and also about their results in slams actually.

But anyway, what I like in your question is that you also consider Monfils and Gasquet, whereas there have been many threads about Tsonga and Simon recently on MTF.

Actually, although more ancient on the tour, Monfils and Gasquet are younger than both Tsonga and Simon. They are still young players. And they both have great potential. Both of them have changed quite a lot last year, mental, tactics, coach ... Then they might be surprising in 2009 (either good -I rather think of Monfils- or bad -rather Gasquet- way).

The competition among French players is rather about the Davis Cup.
And I wonder about the doubles composition in the Davis Cup.
Gasquet-Tsonga would be a pair with a great potential, but both these players are physically fragile, which is a problem if they have to play the singles.
Llodra could be kept to play with one of those two.
I don't think Clément will be kept in the French Davis Cup team (btw we just learnt that he will not play the Aus Open with Llodra).

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Tsonga will only get better if he stays injury free so i expect him to stay on top, if not making more headway in the top 10.
It has never happened so far

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Spain has 15.

As for the order of the rankings of these players next year, I really don't know at all.

Everything could happen especially between the first 4.

Tsonga, Gasquet and Monfils are utterly unpredictable.
And Simon is still able of beating the best and losing against bad players.

Anyway, I'm mostly interested in their level in the world rankings rather than in the French rankings ... and also about their results in slams actually.

But anyway, what I like in your question is that you also consider Monfils and Gasquet, whereas there have been many threads about Tsonga and Simon recently on MTF.

Actually, although more ancient on the tour, Monfils and Gasquet are younger than both Tsonga and Simon. They are still young players. And they both have great potential. Both of them have changed quite a lot last year, mental, tactics, coach ... Then they might be surprising in 2009 (either good -I rather think of Monfils- or bad -rather Gasquet- way).

The competition among French players is rather about the Davis Cup.
And I wonder about the doubles composition in the Davis Cup.
Gasquet-Tsonga would be a pair with a great potential, but both these players are physically fragile, which is a problem if they have to play the singles.
Llodra could be kept to play with one of those two.
I don't think Clément will be kept in the French Davis Cup team (btw we just learnt that he will not play the Aus Open with Llodra).
That's not because of Arnaud's game but because of Mika's injury. They are still a very good team. Winning Wimbly in 2007, getting to the AO final last year, schooling the Bryans in DC (I was there, it was a great match).

I know Richard isn't high up on the list to play DC singles, and I think that is a relief for him. He has been the number one player for 3 years and when he refused to play this year, the press took a lot out of him for that. I think he will feel less pressure if he plays doubles with Jo. They make a great team.

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Spain has 15.

As for the order of the rankings of these players next year, I really don't know at all.

Everything could happen especially between the first 4.

Tsonga, Gasquet and Monfils are utterly unpredictable.
And Simon is still able of beating the best and losing against bad players.

Anyway, I'm mostly interested in their level in the world rankings rather than in the French rankings ... and also about their results in slams actually.

But anyway, what I like in your question is that you also consider Monfils and Gasquet, whereas there have been many threads about Tsonga and Simon recently on MTF.

Actually, although more ancient on the tour, Monfils and Gasquet are younger than both Tsonga and Simon. They are still young players. And they both have great potential. Both of them have changed quite a lot last year, mental, tactics, coach ... Then they might be surprising in 2009 (either good -I rather think of Monfils- or bad -rather Gasquet- way).

The competition among French players is rather about the Davis Cup.
And I wonder about the doubles composition in the Davis Cup.
Gasquet-Tsonga would be a pair with a great potential, but both these players are physically fragile, which is a problem if they have to play the singles.
Llodra could be kept to play with one of those two.
I don't think Clément will be kept in the French Davis Cup team (btw we just learnt that he will not play the Aus Open with Llodra).
Ok thanks for clearing that up, i will go edit my post soon lol. Its amazing how many good players Spain have these days, no wonder they won the Davis Cup without Rafa! About the slams i think Tsonga is the only one that has a shot, and a good one at that. However thats is as far as it goes, none other french player have shown the mental capacity to win a slam in quite some time now. Im glad you also brought up the Davis Cup. At this point i would rather play Simon ahead of Monfils and Gasquet in Davis Cup singles if i was France, Gasquet and Monfils still have to mature mentally like you said. The doubles maybe something like Llodra/Gasquet.
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Gasquet-Tsonga would be a pair with a great potential, but both these players are physically fragile, which is a problem if they have to play the singles.

Simon-Tsonga I actually think they could do great, very different styles could work well together. Both if they are both playing singles too...
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That's not because of Arnaud's game but because of Mika's injury.
That's what I heard, but Llodra will play the doubles in Brisbane with Benneteau.

Anyway, it's quite unlikely that Clément is selected for the Davis Cup in March (except injuries of course). He hopes that. But he knows that the trend is not for him. It's for those who are called the "4 Fantastics" or "the 4 musketeers" in the press recently ... who have similar ages and who've had very good personal relationships so far, happy when the other ones did win something.

In a recent interview, Clément mostly spoke about improving his singles level.

Both Gasquet and Tsonga can be very good doubles players. Their first tournament together they won actually, notably beating the Bryans.

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I know Richard isn't high up on the list to play DC singles, and I think that is a relief for him. He has been the number one player for 3 years and when he refused to play this year, the press took a lot out of him for that. I think he will feel less pressure if he plays doubles with Jo. They make a great team.
Yes his attitude in the last Davis Cup match was not well considered by the French Federation staff and the older players.
And he's had other problems with Forget and Dominguez.
This is a bad point for him.

But his relationships with the 3 other "younger" players are very good. And I think he's the best doubles player among them.

Actually, he didn't exactly refuse to play against Roddick, he just said that Mathieu was better than him but he could replace Llodra for the final match ... of course after the match this sounds crazy as Mathieu played so badly, but before that, Mathieu had played so well against Blake ! whereas Gasquet was coming back from injury.

It can be considered as a refusal or shyness or humility.

Personally, I didn't understand all this gossiping and thought all this was very unfair and hurtful to Mathieu : it's like saying that even a bad Gasquet was better than a tired but good Mathieu (and usually Mathieu has no problems about tiredness) !!

Everybody spoke like that, Forget, media, even Roddick ... but I really think it was very unfair to Mathieu !

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Simon-Tsonga I actually think they could do great, very different styles could work well together. Both if they are both playing singles too...
Simon still has a very limited volley and he has lost nearly all of the doubles he played !

Monfils is better,

but Gasquet and Tsonga are surely the best for doubles.

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That's what I heard, but Llodra will play the doubles in Brisbane with Benneteau.
That's what was reported in the Doubles forum. That Llodra was out of the AO entirely because of shoulder injury. But I'll believe you since you are French.

Both Gasquet and Tsonga can be very good doubles players. Their first tournament together they won actually, notably beating the Bryans.

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Yes his attitude in the last Davis Cup match was not well considered by the French Federation staff and the older players.
And he's had other problems with Forget and Dominguez.
This is a bad point for him.

But his relationships with the 3 other "younger" players are very good. And I think he's the best doubles player among them.

Actually, he didn't exactly refuse to play against Roddick, he just said that Mathieu was better than him but he could replace Llodra for the final match ... of course after the match this sounds crazy as Mathieu played so badly, but before that, Mathieu had played so well against Blake ! whereas Gasquet was coming back from injury.

It can be considered as a refusal or shyness or humility.

Personally, I didn't understand all this gossiping and thought all this was very unfair and hurtful to Mathieu : it's like saying that even a bad Gasquet was better than a tired but good Mathieu (and usually Mathieu has no problems about tiredness) !!

Everybody spoke like that, Forget, media, even Roddick ... but I really think it was very unfair to Mathieu !
What was strange about Richard's attitude was that he played the dead rubber against James and he played really well. I was there and played a great match. Much better than when he had lost to James a few weeks before. He did lose the match but if it were a live rubber, he still could have come from 2-1 sets down.

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I find this to be quite a quincidence(sp.?). I was just thinking about who would play DC for France next year. As for the top5? I would say something like this:
1.Simon-I think he is the best French player ATM.
2.Tsonga-He has a lot of passion for the game.
3.Gasquet-I really have grown to like him and his game. I hope he can have a better rank at the end of 2009.
4.Monflis-I don't think he is that great. In my opinion, he is overrated. However, he should be a top 25 player, maybe top 20.
5.Mathieu-I don't really know much about his game, so I'll just put him at #5.
-Number 6 would probably be Llodra.

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That's what was reported in the Doubles forum. That Llodra was out of the AO entirely because of shoulder injury. But I'll believe you since you are French. .
I don't know that because I'm French , it's written here actually :

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What was strange about Richard's attitude was that he played the dead rubber against James and he played really well. I was there and played a great match. Much better than when he had lost to James a few weeks before. He did lose the match but if it were a live rubber, he still could have come from 2-1 sets down.
I've heard that, and of course this was said against him, but the fact is that he had not practiced a lot before the tie, and had even been near to giving up.

The fact is that Gasquet is able of amazing matches, just by his talent but probably even he didn't know that he was able to play like that.

Btw, I had not seen this match in Davis Cup, but I had seen their match in Indian Wells, and Blake had really played great that day : I think he hadn't given Gasquet a chance to really enter the match.

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As for the Davis Cup, I think that the worst point for Gasquet is that the mental is extremely important in the Davis Cup,

and for that, Forget knows that both Simon and Tsonga are reliable,

and even Monfils is more reliable than Gasquet.

What goes in favour of Gasquet so far is his ability for the doubles and the fact that the tie in Czech Republic will be played on a quick surface, which is not in favour of Simon and Monfils

(and he has also played good matches in Davis Cup, for instance against Haas in Germany)

But anyway, many things will depend on the beginning of the season.

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