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post #1 of 43 (permalink) Old 12-19-2008, 12:55 PM Thread Starter
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Post Who is Better Gilles Simon or Jo Wilfried Tsonga?

In my Opinion this is a tough one, based on the fact that they are so contrasting, up until a month ago i was saying Simon and backing him on the point that he had done better in masters series and took all the big scalps including Tsonga, however Tsonga has of course reached a final of a slam and now won a masters series.

Forehand - Tsonga
Backhand - Simon
Net Play and Volleys - Tsonga
Movement and positioning - Simon
Serve - Tsonga
Attacking play and agression - Tsonga
Defensive play and tactically know how - Simon
Physical conmditioninng and mental strengthy - Simon

I would say Tsonga is better now but this is a tough one to call in my opinion
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Re: Who is Better Gilles Simon or Jo Wilfried Tsonga?

One thing is sure, Tsonga has more fans than Simon on MTF so in this department he is better, never in doubt.

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Re: Who is Better Gilles Simon or Jo Wilfried Tsonga?

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Tsonga has done better where it counts.

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Re: Who is Better Gilles Simon or Jo Wilfried Tsonga?

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Forehand - Tsonga
Backhand - Simon
Net Play and Volleys - Tsonga
Movement and positioning - Simon
Serve - Tsonga
Attacking play and agression - Tsonga
Defensive play and tactically know how - Simon
Physical conmditioninng and mental strengthy - Simon
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Re: Who is Better Gilles Simon or Jo Wilfried Tsonga?

That's a hard one. Tsonga more spectacular, while Simon more consistent. Really tough to say.

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Re: Who is Better Gilles Simon or Jo Wilfried Tsonga?

Totally different styles,

one wants to make winners,
the other one mainly expects the opponent's mistake.

a little bit like Federer and Murray.

Furthermore, there are so many strange things and uncertainties about these two players.

Tsonga is often wounded, which is a big question mark.
And he has always been very irregular.

As for Simon, his improvement has astonished everybody in France, especially amongst the players and the technical staff. There has been a lot of gossiping about his results amongst French players recently, for instance Grosjean or Malisse (Belgian yes) saying that if Simon could be in the top-10, then it's great news for a lot a lot of players who could be the same !
But many say that these Grosjean and Malisse have not considered Simon's great improvement last year.
Nobody believed he could do that one year ago.

He has done great results against big players, but he had also a lot of difficulties against players not so good (many wins in final tie-break in Madrid against Andreev, Ginepri, Karlovic ... before beating Nadal, also in the final tie-break).
A little bit like Pioline in his time who also had great results against great players but had more difficulties against players not so good. And who emerged quite late, not being considered so talented in the beginning.

I think it's really very difficult to make predictions and compare them.

I would say Tsonga is more likely to make greater results, but there is a very big question mark about his wounds.

Also IMO it's possible that both of these players have reached their highest level in 2008. I mean they could do that again, but many expect them to do better : I'm not optimistic about that.

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Anyway, what's quite astonishing and what's a pity for France (I say a pity because many say that French tennis is bad because we never had any top-top player in the open-era : Noah was 3rd in the world only one week !) is that as for Noah and Leconte in the 80s,

we have shared the main tennis qualities between several players.

Noah had the physical, tactical and mental qualities.
Leconte had the technique.

Now we have shared everything in 4 :
- Tsonga has the mental and physical explosivity, but not physical solidity
- Simon has the mental, the tactics, some physical endurance, but his technique is quite poor and his physics is not strong and explosive
- Monfils has a great physics, a good technique, but his tactical abilities are poor, and his mental is a little bit complex
- Gasquet has a very good technique, but lacks physical, tactical and mental abilities

A mixt of Noah and Leconte would have been number 1.
A mixt of these 4 players would be quite near from number 1.

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Re: Who is Better Gilles Simon or Jo Wilfried Tsonga?

A very good question imo.

As PMK says, Tsonga has achieved more, and, on that basis, should be the outright winner. But, if you're just comparing games, I think it is a little more difficult, and made more interesting considering that they are polar opposites to each other. Maybe Simon should be the more consistent across all surfaces (Tsonga likely to struggle notably on the clay), but Tsonga more likely to do greater damage in the bigger events, and on the faster surfaces.
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Re: Who is Better Gilles Simon or Jo Wilfried Tsonga?

Tsonga has made a slam final and won a Master Series
he plays well on hard court;carpet and grass and we all know that he can play on clay but with injuries he hasn't been able to play on it so I'm willing to give him a pass

as far as Simon goes;he doesn't play well on grass(yes he took a set off Gasquet and I love Gasquet to death but a junior player could have taken a set off him this year.losing to Querrey on red slow clay of Monte Carlo says it all )


Simon won big but his best results in a major was the 4th round unless it was the 3th round?

Tsonga had knee surgery and skipped 2 slams and still managed to beat huge players this year:Gasquet;Murray;Youzhny;crushing Nadal in the semis of Australia;thrashing Blake;beating Roddick,Stepanek and Nalbandian to win Bercy.For me his run in Australia and Bercy upstages anything Simon has done in the latter part of the season.
Simon has game no question but I'll go for Tsonga

Tsonga has the game to win majors on 3 surfaces:hard courts:Australia/USO and on grass
if Tsonga can be better in his movement;work that backhand of his(weaker shot in his game imo) and stay healthy I don't care wtf you are;you will not want to face him

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- Gasquet has a very good technique, but lacks physical, tactical and mental abilities
Yeah,his forehand technique is very good,isn't it?
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Yeah,his forehand technique is very good,isn't it?
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Re: Who is Better Gilles Simon or Jo Wilfried Tsonga?

I think Tsonga. He's not only reached better results at bigger tournaments, he's also slightly ahead in the rankings. Without all these injuries, Tsonga would be clearly ahead right now I think. But well, things are the way they are. So I see clear advantages for Tsonga in terms of talent and for Simon in terms of making the most out of one's possibilities. Referring to Simon, I feel he has somehow reached the maximum which is possible for him. With being roughly ranked around 30 one year ago, only his die-hard fans would have thought he would crack the Top10, and he did so only one year later, which I would have never expected. So I feel somehow, Simon has reached the end of the road, hope I'm wrong though and he will soon be Top5. However, better player at this point for me is as mentioned above Tsonga, I see no reason why this guy shouldn't crack the top3 in the coming years if he stays healthy.
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Re: Who is Better Gilles Simon or Jo Wilfried Tsonga?

Tsonga >>>>>>>>>>> Pusher Simon

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Re: Who is Better Gilles Simon or Jo Wilfried Tsonga?

Tsonga is more complete, but Simon is more regular.

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