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Something in this piece sounds right to me. It sounds like a nice compromise between having the top guys who are likely to do well all the time (djokovic, nadal, murray, federer) play less and still have the quality of the draws remain nearly the same.

Maybe take like two clay masters and two hard court masters and turn them into a challenge system. You can even shift around which ones every five years or so. Or you might even shift it every year but just have a rule that says the one who won miami is now the guy who gets to sit out until the final in indian wells next year.
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Fuck off Bodo and just have a top 4 playing exhos against each other.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Fuck off Bodo and just have a top 4 playing exhos against each other.
Does he say somewhere in the article that it's just about the top 4? Seems like a drastic reaction to a reasonable column. Yes he's written some bad ones.
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Reasonable?

Reinstating the challenge round is reasonable?

Not having to earn your place on merit in a slam final because you won the title 12 months ago is reasonable?

People wouldn't complain about the challenge system today if had never been abolished? What the hell is he smoking?

I think the word you were reaching for, here, is "ridiculous".

Has he been reading "How to make Etienne de Villiers Look Reasonable For Dummies" ?

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Reasonable?

Reinstating the challenge round is reasonable?

Not having to earn your place on merit in a slam final because you won the title 12 months ago is reasonable?

People wouldn't complain about the challenge system today if had never been abolished? What the hell is he smoking?

I think the word you were reaching for, here, is "ridiculous".

Has he been reading "How to make Etienne de Villiers Look Reasonable For Dummies" ?


Notice that I also did not say anything about grandslams and I said that there is "something" right about this piece. The idea is to minimize the workload for the guys who are winning ALL THE TIME and instituting a challenge system in SOME masters events where everyone is required to show up seems like a nice compromise.

less knee jerk reactions and thinking more about what other problems might arise from instituting a challenge system in 3 or 4 of the masters tournaments might be the way to go. The benefits for the best players are obvious, the costs seem minimal to me.
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Notice that I also did not say anything about grandslams and I said that there is "something" right about this piece. The idea is to minimize the workload for the guys who are winning ALL THE TIME and instituting a challenge system in SOME masters events where everyone is required to show up seems like a nice compromise.

less knee jerk reactions and thinking more about what other problems might arise from instituting a challenge system in 3 or 4 of the masters tournaments might be the way to go. The benefits for the best players are obvious, the costs seem minimal to me.
There's nothing knee-jerk about my reaction at all.

As it happens I read that article 4 days ago and thought about it and I still find the idea ludicrous under ALL circumstances. The best players should have to prove they are the best by getting to the finals, same as everyone else. Otherwise it's just meaningless, totally inequality of effort. Whatever the solution to the calendar and scheduling concerns, giving the top players free passes to the finals is not the way to go, in my view, emphatically not.
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There's nothing knee-jerk about my reaction at all.

As it happens I read that article 4 days ago and thought about it and I still find the idea ludicrous under ALL circumstances. The best players should have to prove they are the best by getting to the finals, same as everyone else. Otherwise it's just meaningless, totally inequality of effort. Whatever the solution to the calendar and scheduling concerns, giving the top players free passes to the finals is not the way to go, in my view, emphatically not.
Absolutely.

This idea of Bodo's sounds like something we should never tolerate, namely: 'class justice'. In other words: to him, and anyone agreeing with him: "You can't be serious!!!".

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There's nothing knee-jerk about my reaction at all.

As it happens I read that article 4 days ago and thought about it and I still find the idea ludicrous under ALL circumstances. The best players should have to prove they are the best by getting to the finals, same as everyone else. Otherwise it's just meaningless, totally inequality of effort. Whatever the solution to the calendar and scheduling concerns, giving the top players free passes to the finals is not the way to go, in my view, emphatically not.
Not even in a few tournaments? The benefits to everyone seem large (tour, lower ranked players, higher ranked players). The quality of the average match might even rise. If rafa played a few less matches early on, but was able to compete across the entire season, wouldn't most people (players,atp,fans) have been better off? It might also protect from injury players who do well at a young age, one of the points in the age trajectory where the grind of the tour seems to have a big impact (sometimes with long lasting consequences, as possibly with Safin).

You don't like it. But "Meaningless" is a strong word, certainly there is a lot of meaning for the majority of players. Do all the matches that the players play lose meaning just because the player they play in the final didn't go through the draw like everyone else? Yes there is some "inequality" of effort and in some cases this might impact that person's chances in the final vs. the well rested guy. But the structure of the tour now also causes some trouble for the top players. It's clear they are not in the same shape at the end of the year as a davydenko or a blake.

it's possible that even a 10 match per year lowering in the number of matches played all the way through a top player's career might increase the longevity of that player. Would you favor a system that lead federer or a nadal to play for a few more years or not? I would.

I wonder if you are in the majority or minority in your view.
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Absolutely.

This idea of Bodo's sounds like something we should never tolerate, namely: 'class justice'. In other words: to him, and anyone agreeing with him: "You can't be serious!!!".
It's has nothing to do with class etc. The way the tour is structured now seems to be leading to injuries. One can hypothesize about why there are more complaints now (safin previously, roddick, nadal, etc.) than before (fitter players, more competition, homogeneity of surfaces). The idea is whether you can restructure with minimal damage. Notice that it is players and ex-players who argue for some type of restructuring and not atp tour etc.
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Ridiculous. Let them sweat their asses as everyone else, that's what being top4 takes. When they become unable, others will take their places. That's how it works in tennis, this is not the America's Cup.
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Ridiculous. Let them sweat their asses as everyone else, that's what being top4 takes. When they become unable, others will take their places. That's how it works in tennis, this is not the America's Cup.
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It's has nothing to do with class etc. The way the tour is structured now seems to be leading to injuries. One can hypothesize about why there are more complaints now (safin previously, roddick, nadal, etc.) than before (fitter players, more competition, homogeneity of surfaces). The idea is whether you can restructure with minimal damage. Notice that it is players and ex-players who argue for some type of restructuring and not atp tour etc.
Complete nonsense, and I guess you've never heard of what 'class justice' actually is - benefiting those who actually are benefited already. That's about the LAST thing we need in sports, just like we shouldn't want that anywhere else either. Equal chances to all, and let those who managed to come on top be the deserved top players, whatever the circumstances they have to deal with.

On a side note - I've never heard you promote such an ridiculous idea when Fed was #1. Maybe because he managed to deal with his schedule a lot better than the players that you that want to see coming out on top?

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Ridiculous. Let them sweat their asses as everyone else, that's what being top4 takes. When they become unable, others will take their places. That's how it works in tennis, this is not the America's Cup.
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Does he say somewhere in the article that it's just about the top 4? Seems like a drastic reaction to a reasonable column. Yes he's written some bad ones.
No, it's a shit article and he has not written a good once since the 90s and this is drivel just to fill the off season. You must be related to Bodo, to actually think this is a decent article.

Usain Bolt shouldn't be put straight in the final of any event in the 100m and 200m because he is the fastest man in the world, he has to run the rounds like everyone else.

It doesn't happen on the Challengers and the Futures circuit, seriously might as well just create a top 8 and play among themselves. Facts are players improve playing against better opposition. No, it's not like royalty, where just because a person is born with the right last name, that are part of the monarchy.

The fact that the play more tennis on hardcourts is a bigger factor with the type of injuries and the length of the season, they have been talking the same shit since the 80s.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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there is something about bodo that makes me feel pretty violent...

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