bud collins picks murray to beat roger - MensTennisForums.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 08:20 AM Thread Starter
Banned!
 
dylan24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 18,599
                     
bud collins picks murray to beat roger

thank god.
fwiw, pmac picked fed in 4 and luke jensen likes fed to win as well.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/26598354/site/21683474/

By Bud Collins
NBCSports.com contributor
updated 8:43 p.m. PT, Sun., Sept. 7, 2008


Bud Collins
Hanna didn’t do much vamping yesterday. True, she let Roger Federer prove at Arthur Ashe Stadium that he’s still among the best in the game as he dismantled Novak Djokovic 6-3, 5-7, 7-5, 6-2.

Trouble is, Rafael Nadal and Andy Murray, whose match was moved to Louis Armstrong Stadium because of the threatening weather, had to put on their rain gear after Murray won the first two sets 6-2, 7-6. Nadal was up 3-2 in the third and had a service break when the downpour started and they had to make a dash for cover.

They were back on the court (Ashe Stadium this time) at 4 p.m. Sunday, and Murray continued his fearless play, topping the game’s No. 1, 6-2, 7-6, 4-6, 6-4. With the victory, he becomes the first player from Britain (though he stresses he’s Scottish) to reach the U.S. Open final since Greg Rusedski (who was formerly a Canadian) in 1997. With the win, I think he put himself in position to become first Brit since Fred Perry in 1936 to win the U.S. singles title (the year Perry won all four of the majors).
Story continues below ↓advertisement

After their memorable Wimbledon final, everyone — and that’s no exaggeration — wanted to see Federer and Nadal in another final. That it didn’t happen indicates just how much of a player Murray has become. Nadal, after all, won two majors, was in the semifinals of two others and won a Gold Medal. He recently became the No. 1 ranked player, replacing Federer, who had held the spot for more than four years. That Nadal came up short here doesn’t diminish what he has accomplished. This year he has been the best in the men’s game.

Best on the court
On Saturday, Federer started the match with an ace up the tee. By the end of the match, he had 20. He brought his serve out of hiding. In his first five matches, he had 64 aces. So it’s clear, he served very well. It was the best he’s played during the tournament.

In the quarterfinals, Igor Andreev was unexpectedly tough. The last time Federer had to go five sets at the U.S. Open was in 2004 when he defeated Andre Agassi 6-3, 2-6, 7-5, 3-6, 6-3 in the quarterfinals. I think this match against Djokovic eliminated a lot of pressure.

He played like the old Federer. He played aggressively and hit the lines regularly. He won 135 of the 249 points played. He hit 51 winners, eight more than Djokovic and made 19 fewer unforced errors. I almost wonder where he has been hiding. The four-time U.S. Open champion has reached the semifinals at 18 majors, a record. Many players don’t play 18 majors in a row.

I think the match was a good lesson for Djokovic. In the fourth round against Tommy Robredo, he called for the trainer a number of times. Before their quarterfinal, Andy Roddick had joked that he had 16 injuries.

Following his victory over the top American, Djokovic told the Arthur Ashe Stadium crowd that he felt he proved he didn’t have 16 injuries. He didn’t endear himself to the fans when he dissed Roddick. Things were made worse by the fact that he was trying to beat Federer, the defending champion.



It almost seemed like 18,000 people flew in from Basel. They may have even brought Juliet along — the cow the Swiss gave him following his first Wimbledon championship. Djokovic being Djokovic helped Federer focus, and the defending champ had a lot of support.


I really became a Murray fan after he defeated Juan Martin Del Potro in the quarterfinals 7-6, 7-6, 4-6, 7-5. He has a tremendous backhand and a very good serve. He changes speed as smooth as a good driver changes gears in a race car and he’s very clever.

Nadal and Murray played a tiring three hours and 30 minutes. Of the 275 points contested, Murray earned 149. He had 11 more winners than unforced errors. He made Nadal very un-Nadal-like, forcing him to commit eight more unforced errors than winners. Even more remarkable, Murray had 21 aces against one of the game’s best returners, and only three double faults.

He kept Nadal off balance varying the pace, returning serve from almost the baseline fence and he made Nadal, whose game is running, cover more of the court than normal by using the width and depth as if he was teaching a class in geometry.
Story continues below ↓advertisement

It seems that Federer has grown resentful, and he’s a very classy guy, over what has had been written this year about his not having mononucleosis. I think in Australia it played a factor in his loss to Djokovic in the semifinals. He is now 7-2 in his career against Djokovic and I think he wanted to prove a point.

For the second year in a row, all four U.S. Open semifinalists were from Europe, and it was the first time since 1992 that the top three seeds reached the semis. Federer, who has 36 career hard court titles that ties him with Pete Sampras, was the only one in the group who hadn’t won a tournament on the surface this year. Murray has won three and both Djokovic and Nadal two each.

The U.S. Open has been Murray’s favorite tournament since he won the Boys’ championship as a 17-year-old in 2004. He has become a factor in the men’s game, and I think that is wonderful for Britain. He will be on all the front pages Monday morning and admits that, in the past, he didn’t deal well with the press.

This is not surprising since the tabloids would kill anyone who isn’t Christ. Still, his career record is 2-1 against Federer, having defeated him in Dubai this year 6-7, 6-3, 6-4 and at Cincinnati two years ago.

Federer is chasing Sampras, who won a record 14 majors. He has 12 now, and 34 straight wins in New York. (Bill Tilden holds the tournament record with 42.) He is looking to put a sunny look on what has been a drab year.

Murray is much more subtle than Djokovic, and I think he will give Federer trouble. He has a real shot, and though he will not have as much rest as the defending champion, with the match starting tomorrow night at 5 p.m., I don’t think this will be a problem. It’s his first major, but he has proved he can compete.

I’m not very good at picking winners, but I’m picking Murray.
dylan24 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 08:32 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Age: 40
Posts: 68
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

Bud Collins = joke.
Synthesis is offline  
post #3 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 08:41 AM
Registered User
 
brent-o's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 976
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

Oh no, guess this is the final nail in Federer's coffin.

I love tennis because of...

Andre Agassi (always #1)---Novak Djokovic ---Rafa Nadal---
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga---Gilles Simon---Tomas Berdych---David Nalbandian---Nico Almagro
brent-o is offline  
post #4 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 08:43 AM
Registered User
 
finishingmove's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Age: 28
Posts: 23,353
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

bud collins is great for tennis

Nole CYGS 2017
Copy this signature to join the bandwagon before it's too late.
finishingmove is offline  
post #5 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 08:48 AM
Registered User
 
BlueSwan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Age: 41
Posts: 2,243
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

Quote:
Originally Posted by dylan24 View Post
I’m not very good at picking winners, but I’m picking Murray.
At least he's admitting it.
BlueSwan is offline  
post #6 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 08:50 AM
Registered User
 
Mimi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 22,276
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

roger should say thank you to Collins

Rafa! Rafa! Rafa!

Epic movies, like brokeback mountain, are seldom found in the industry or worthy for the mainstream viewer. As often as I have watched the clips of this movie, I always find something more to it. For one, the gay stuff doesn't enter the picture for me, only the dimension of the highest love I have ever witnessed in life or on film.
Mimi is offline  
post #7 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 09:31 AM
Registered User
 
HNCS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,042
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

oh damn, this is the year of the parallel universe remember? so bud collins should be right.

Roger Federer


Richard Gasquet,David Nalbandian, James Blake,Marcos Baghdatis,Fabrice Santoro,Jonas Bjorkman,Mikhail Youzhny,Fernado Verdasco, Stan Warinka
HNCS is offline  
post #8 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 10:19 AM
Registered User
 
Forehander's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,435
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

lol well atleast he's admitting he's always picking the darkhorses ^^

The BIGGEST (borderline delusional) fan of players on General Message Board according to Forehander:
Grigor Dimitrov: FedererBulgaria
Borna Coric: Crowdmaker
Nick Krygios: Dan.
Tommy Haas: Leng Jai
Sebastien Grosjean: Myself
Novak Djokovic: Chiico (Leader of the No1e Cult)
Forehander is offline  
post #9 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 10:51 AM Thread Starter
Banned!
 
dylan24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 18,599
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

Quote:
Originally Posted by HNCS View Post
oh damn, this is the year of the parallel universe remember? so bud collins should be right.
his original uso picks were nadal and venus i believe.
then he picked jankovic to beat serena.
hope bud has one more wrong prediction in him left
dylan24 is offline  
post #10 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 10:54 AM
Registered User
 
The_Nadal_effect's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Sparta
Posts: 2,138
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

Laugh as you all might at him, Collins predictions have been good of late.

TELLING IT LIKE IT IS:
"“Every tennis lover would like, someday, to play like Federer ...But every man wants to BE Rafael Nadal. Which is different.” --PHILIPPE BOUIN, writer; also, a rare, unbiased Frenchman
The_Nadal_effect is offline  
post #11 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 11:34 AM
10S NE1
 
MacTheKnife's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Posts: 10,575
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

Probably the kiss of death for Murray. But IMO, he does have a real good shot at winning this. If Fed's at a little lower level than he was against Djokitch, and Murray can hold his nerve, this could be a very interesting match.

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS
MacTheKnife is offline  
post #12 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 01:19 PM
Registered User
 
Sebby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 708
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

FY Bud ! Go dress like a clown as you ever do.

Go FedMug


Quote:
Originally Posted by Clay Death View Post
i can help Fed but he has to start reading MTF.
Sebby is offline  
post #13 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 01:21 PM
country flag FNT
Registered User
 
FNT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 30
Posts: 275
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

Bud Collins for the win! I am completely calm now, Roger should take this.

a totally irrelevant list of players I like, hate and want to have a beer with, all written in cute colors
FNT is offline  
post #14 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 01:33 PM
Anathemaniac
 
Sunset of Age's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The Wall.
Posts: 41,908
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

Quote:
Originally Posted by MacTheKnife View Post
Probably the kiss of death for Murray. But IMO, he does have a real good shot at winning this. If Fed's at a little lower level than he was against Djokitch, and Murray can hold his nerve, this could be a very interesting match.
I agree with you here - Muzza should surely not be underrated, and has a good chance against Fed on HC, if he plays like he did yesterday.

Still... Bud Collins predicting a loss for Roger is good news, of course. Does the MTF poll have Muzza as the winner as well?
Then all will be fine.

"It's getting colder, I'm getting colder, older, it's getting colder...

Am I still here? As one, with The Fear?
Am I still alive? I'm still f*cking ... Here...!"


"The Storm Before The Calm"

Anathema

Into music of the PROG-Dorky-kind? visit my blog or MTF's Prog Rock Thread.
Sunset of Age is offline  
post #15 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-08-2008, 02:00 PM
Registered User
 
madmanfool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,105
                     
Re: bud collins picks murray to beat roger

Quote:
Originally Posted by dylan24 View Post
They may have even brought Juliet along — the cow the Swiss gave him following his first Wimbledon championship.
I really doubt that, Bud. The cow is dead. Maybe you mistaked Mirka for Juliet.

Hi all, i'm peter and i'm a huge fan of Pat Rafter
madmanfool is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the MensTennisForums.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome