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General Timewasting Thread (Taking too long in between points)

Apart from Nadal himself, is it the fault of the umpires for being too lenient, or are they under instructions to go easy on him? Officials certainly appear reluctant to do anything to upset him. Or should his opponents be complaining to the umpires more about it?

Secondly, is Nadal's timewasting deliberate gamesmanship, or a consequence of his supersized ego and over-inflated opinion of himself, or due to something else?
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It's down to something else. He's been doing it for so long now it's probably 2nd nature. The ATP need to sit down with Rafa and Nole and tell them it's not on.

The new players comming up will take it up and in 5 years there will be loads of them doing it.

Bad for tennis IMO.
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Re: Nadal's timewasting - who's to blame?

Umpires have to enforce the rules, even handedly, they don't.

Next topic to bitch about.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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That's taboo, just like doping...
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Sorry, but it is a justified subject to discuss, even if it all comes down to this:

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Umpires have to enforce the rules, even handedly, they don't.

Next topic to bitch about.
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Re: Nadal's timewasting - who's to blame?

OK,

Firstly, is Nadal the only one that apparently does so? It's hard to believe that not other players do the same.

Secondly, his massive ego? dude you Rafa haters should focus on something else.

And don't get me wrong; if he regularly exceeds the time he should be penalized accordingly and that might be a good motivation to change that attitude, as he has done with the improvements of his game but, as I see it, that's just a part of him being so concentrated when playing. Anyway, do other players complain about it and make such a big deal or is it just you guys?







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He is often warned by umpires, actually. I think it happened to Nadal and Djokovic (warned by umpire for extreme gamesmanship) at the French Open this year somewhere in the second set.
Eventually an umpire will hate him and he will warn him 2+ times, then Nadal will hurry up.
It's not like Nadull does this alone, Djokovic and many others do it.
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Federer has complained about it. I know Fernando Gonzalez mentioned it to Carlos Bernades before their AO quarter final, when Gonzo thrashed him.

Ljubicic has mentioned in their matches and then there was this obvious displeasure at the timewasting.

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On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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The ATP need to sit down with Rafa and Nole and tell them it's not on.

Bad for tennis IMO.
I agree with you that it's bad for tennis, but I don't agree that officials should be sitting down with Nadal to explain it's not on. He is fully aware of both the rules and what he is doing. As PMK says, umpires should be enforcing the rules. If he is routinely exceeding the time limit, as he is, and by a considerable amount, he should be penalized. So that the player can be certain of how much time he has, large clocks counting down to zero could be installed at each end of the court, rather like in American Football.
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Re: Nadal's timewasting - who's to blame?

Sure, the umpires have warned him once, but it has failed to get through. There are rules there that could give Nadal a point penalty for excess timewasting, but like I said before, the rule is there, and it's not enforced.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Remember when Agassi went to sit in a line judge's chair at one point Adorable.
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Umpires have to enforce the rules
What do the rules say? Anyone could point to me to the exact wording of the rules concerning how long a player should take to serve?
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What do the rules say? Anyone could point to me to the exact wording of the rules concerning how long a player should take to serve?
20 seconds in between first and second serves.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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