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Grass season duration was always this?

Not a moan thread, just curious about how long it was in the 70's 80's and the 90's, or it has always been so short since the new surfaces exist?

I guess it's hard to stretch the session when you can't move the day it starts (when RG ends) or the day it ends (when Wimby ends). Moving the dates of slams would be real difficult, at least for the current calendar organizators, who can't manage to fit 14 top events in 52 weeks without having two in a row.

Also I guess grass is not suitable for play in all seasons or latitudes.

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Re: Grass season duration was always this?

Until 1976 three of the four slams were played on grass so a fair proportion of the warmup events were also grass, I think.
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Until 1976 three of the four slams were played on grass so a fair proportion of the warmup events were also grass, I think.

I know that, but in the Borg, Mac, Lendl era it was a month of grass too?

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Yes I think so because Borg never played a warmup between RG and Wimbledon - he just used to practise a bit to make the transition.
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Re: Grass season duration was always this?

yes in the 70s and 80s it was two week like now
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If you go back as far as 1968, RG started on 27th May and Wimbledon started on 24th June so it goes back some way.
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Re: Grass season duration was always this?

Indeed, it has always seemed so short.. Only Halle/Queens then Wimbledon then some little tournaments for people ranked 40-300.
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A pity, I enjoy the variety of this surface.

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A pity, I enjoy the variety of this surface.
Yes, I think a lot of fans do - but from what I've read, I conclude that grass is very expensive to maintain, and that that is the foremost reason why there are so little grass tournaments left. A shame, but that's how it is - the money rules...

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Yes, I think a lot of fans do - but from what I've read, I conclude that grass is very expensive to maintain, and that that is the foremost reason why there are so little grass tournaments left. A shame, but that's how it is - the money rules...
Well, soccer is played on grass all year round, true that it's a "bigger" sport, but Spain has at least 20 stadiums in first division alone which are much bigger than a tennis court, so I guess you really can have grass if you want it.

Also, there's the artificial grass, but I don't know how it works for tennis. There's a court not far from home, I may try it.

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Well, soccer is played on grass all year round, true that it's a "bigger" sport, but Spain has at least 20 stadiums in first division alone which are much bigger than a tennis court, so I guess you really can have grass if you want it.
Well, according to most people, the costs that come with maintaining a grass court have been the main reason to abandon the grass. If anything, both clay and HC are a lot easier and cheaper to maintain.
(not that I'm not a fan of grass, quite the contrary - if I were leading the ATP, I'd do everything to have at least ONE Master's played on grass!)

I don't think the comparison with football should be made. The games are entirely different. Football players sometimes complain about the grass, and in really terrible circumstances the game is postponed, but usually that means there's some 30 cm of rain or snow on them - very very different from tennis, where the slightest drop of rain already causes delay, for various reasons, one of them being the risk of injuries to the players.
I guess tennis players may indeed be a bit whimpy compared to football players (if you count out the massive amount of Comedia del'Arte which football players always seem to display ), but there's of course this huge difference of tennis being an individual sport, while football is a team asset - an injury sucks of course, but usually there's another ten players on the bench to take the place of the injured player. Ergo - completely uncomparable sports & situations.

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Also, there's the artificial grass, but I don't know how it works for tennis. There's a court not far from home, I may try it.
Well... there have been experiments with football matches played on artificial grass, but from what I've read, players who enjoyed it were very hard to find... might be an interesting experiment, though. I'd like to hear how you like it!

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I know that, but in the Borg, Mac, Lendl era it was a month of grass too?
Conners was the only man to win the US Open on all three surfaces, grass, clay, and hard. So it was in the early 70s when the switch was made. US Open went to clay while they were building the national tennis center.

My thought always was to have 4 Majors, all played on different surfaces. One clay, 1 HC, 1 Grass, and 1 indoor carpet. Have each major on or at the end of every quarter of the year (determined by weather). Then have each of those seasons for approx 3 months leading up to that particular surface's major. Just a dream I had, know they'd never do it, and I know that would never work due to indoor facility problems.. just always thought it would be the fair, ultimate test for players of all skills.

The above poster is right though, even when I first started watching tennis in the 60s, 3 of the four were played on grass. It was 1924 when the FO went from grass to the red stuff. Can't remember when the AO switched, but USO was in the mid/early 70s..
That's one reason it's tough to compare Laver's slams to anyone else's of more recent eras. Three where on grass in his day. Can you imagine what Samparas and Federer would have done with 3 grass majors..

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i think soccer grass and tennis grass is very different. The grass on a tennis court directly affects the spin of the ball, it's very sensitive. A soccer field, much much less, hence easier to maintain.

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Until 1976 three of the four slams were played on grass so a fair proportion of the warmup events were also grass, I think.
wasnt the us open on clay ?

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In 1976 - 1978 I think it was on clay, but before then it was on grass.
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