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I'd say, in terms of interest, we have:

Federer > Sharapova > Nadal > Djokovic > S. Williams

Azarenka still has to get MUCH MORE fans, Murray is irrelevant (except for British trolls), Kvitova is a mess, Del Potro is doing nothing remarkable, Radwanska is liked just by Polish fans, Ferrer is not really popular.
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@Stebs - - that's the main point - IMO it isn't and you couldn't know, just as i couldn't be sure.

Anyways, we're just speculating and the main argument for most is - ATP is more popular. Yes, for MTF users...
That's a totally fair criticism. Without substantive proof, this is just conjecture. I will see if I can find anything which can act as a strong positive evidence for the claim and come back to you (I am still very confident that it is true).

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That's a totally fair criticism. Without substantive proof, this is just conjecture. I will see if I can find anything which can act as a strong positive evidence for the claim and come back to you (I am still very confident that it is true).
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I fear though, that there aren't categorical numbers about the audiences in China, so the results would hardly be relevant.

Still, it would be interesting to see some stats from GSs f.e., or maybe there could be info about the Olympics (which also couldn't be a relevant base to compare, but still).

I presume some Serena, or Sam Stosur finals could have generated interesting numbers in the States and Australia.
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Why are the tickets to the men's Grand Slam final more expensive than the women's one? Why did WTA beg Rome to become a combined event cause of low attendances? How come the overall prizemoney is greater on the ATP? How come they don't have all WTA quarter final days at the Slams anymore, they couldn't sell the tickets out for these sessions and the tournaments weren't impressed.

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Why are the tickets to the men's Grand Slam final more expensive than the women's one? Why did WTA beg Rome to become a combined event cause of low attendances? How come the overall prizemoney is greater on the ATP? How come they don't have all WTA quarter final days at the Slams anymore, they couldn't sell the tickets out for these sessions and the tournaments weren't impressed.
The answer is couple pages ago - As attendance the ATP would always make more seats as the tournaments are attended by people who know/love/play/are very interested in tennis. And men's tennis is of higher quality than women, as men are bigger/faster/stronger.

For a fan of tennis it is much more enjoyable to watch serves at 200+ kph and fast strokes rallies.

On the other hand, a major part (if not far major) of the financing of tennis comes from sponsors and TV.

Pironkova's semi at Wimby has been watched in Bulgaria by 80% of ppl who wouldn't watch Fedal even if they played in their back yard.
But because it's a local girl and there is a constant hype in the media, ppl are glued to the screens.

I know a couple dozens of ppl who went to London and they went to watch the guys (then watched Pironkova as well), but i don't know ppl who haven't seen at least 2 matches of Pironkova at this tournament.

Imagine what hype this has been in China in 2011 for the Na Li final. In Bulgaria there have been some few hundred thousands watching Pironkova, while in China there might have been a few hundred millions.

That's one of the major reasons ppl think ATP is more popular - stadium attendance, while this reflects only the popularity among more or less "specialists".
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It's very hard to find information about this, but these are a couple of graphics i found -

Highest paid athletes in 2012 - http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...mpic-athletes/

Fairly equal-ish between men and women in tennis (would be even more so if Muzza managed to snatch another Slam).

Nothing much do take from these numbers though. It's obviously an overall money ranking, not prize money.


Most watched sports events in 2009 - http://www.statista.com/statistics/7...orting-events/

Not fully serving my cause as the only tennis event in this ranking is at number 4, the Wimby male final in 2009.

But what is interesting to notice - Right after Wimby is Japan - South Korea baseball, not far behind South Korea - China badminton, 15th position - Pakistan - Sri Lanka cricket ()

Gives us a look at how some interest in Asia could bring a sporting event in the top 15 World wide and i'm pretty sure this is based on some official data that doesn't reflect things perfectly.

It also shows how our idea of "popular" could be a bit limited due to our environment and interests, while the big corporations are surely very well aware of these numbers and much more of them.

At the end of the day if the question here is - Should women get as much cash as men in tennis? - "Should" means - personal opinion, so there isn't right and wrong.

Mine is that their sport, which looks like retarded tennis, shouldn't get paid a quarter of what it gets.
But i, personally, would live perfectly well without women tennis at all.

On the other hand, by considering this sport as "not exactly tennis", hence a different sport overall, i can imagine them getting paid even more than male athletes, or the football players of my favorite Levski Sofia (which is a scandal, but what can you do..). Because if it was up to me, the cricket players would be paid a dollar per European watching their sport, but as the World isn't Europe or USA only, i can understand ppl getting excited by this strange children game and i can imagine that with so much interest these guys could be very well paid.

So WTA = cricket. We don't understand it, we don't like it, but the ppl who do pay these athletes shate loads of money and it's their own problem.
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Here's Dinara Safina's opinion:

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LOL SAFINA!!!

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LOL SAFINA!!!

FYI: Serena's fastest serve was faster than Tipsarevic's this AO. Just sayin'
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Didn't see her complaining when she was getting part of that equal money..

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Yes this has been discussed in the Forum before I clearly remember because I got bad Reps on my comment! So please save your bad Reps because they don't change my mind one bit. It is supposed to be "equal pay for equal work" and the women's tennis players don't do the work the men's tennis players do so they shouldn't get "equal pay"!

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Today was listening Ivansievic's oppinions about this subject


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" The difference is huge. Men play 6 hour matches while women 33 minutes. I respect women tennis, few of them play OK, but little better coach could beat first ranked women player so it isn't fair they get the same money "


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NID, more and more present and past players talk about it. They all think it, at least 90% of them, just some are willing to admit it, other are pretenders. But nobody is happy that he plays grilling matches for several hours and twice as much as women and plus they are better at their jobs, but they get the same money. Maybe you can be 'fair' if you are a spectator, but if you are a player and you are seeing women putting much less effort and getting equally payed, your ego starts working. And if you say to me that the interest in the world is the same for WTA as it is for ATP, I'll just laugh at you. I say, if they want equal pay, get rid of the WTA and let them play all together. If women say they are equally good (and you should be as good as your paycheck) and provide equal entertainment, let them play vs the 'sexists'. Let alone active players (Simon, Tipsarevic and don't forget Nadal), Ivanisevic would beat the crap out of Sharapova if they played tomorrow. If 1 women would make it to even top50, she would be my favorite player and have all my respect. And the bottom line is that men have bunch of arguments for why they should be player more, women's only argument is 'never mind we are playing much worse, we are women and we can't play as good as men, they are twice as good at their jobs, but have sympathy and give us the same amount of money'. Why we anybody have sympathy for them? They are making millions here! Sure, give equal pay for chs and futures, men and women there are struggling to make a living, but at the very top, Sharapova or Serena don't deserve to be payed as much as Novak, Fed, Rafa...

Men are better in (most) sports than women, that's not sexist, that's just how it is. Saying that's not true is like saying men are not stronger than women. And I repeat again, if you are better at your job and you work harder you should get more money, regardless of your sex, and that's the only fair standpoint I see here.

Let's just wait until women are payed more than men, them every player will speak against it.

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