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Nadal's Place In History : Discussion

what are your thoughts about Nadal's place in history. it is near certain now that he will bag his 4th Roland Garros title just one week past his 22nd birthday. this leaves him with infinity to try to go after Borg`s record of 6. with his 4th Roland Garros title he will become only the second man to win it 4 years in a row since 1914.

If he can win here in Monte Carlo, he will be the first man to do it 4 years in a row since 1914. He is the first one to win in Rome 3 years running. Muster has 3 titles in Rome as well but not in a row.

he seems to be making a little bit of history with his #2 rank as well. i think its like 144 weeks in a row now that he has been ranked #2.

thoughts? can he pass Borg as the greatest clay court player ever lived? what must he do to get better that than he already is on clay?

people are always talking about a short career for Nadal given his style of play. does he have enough time to make his mark?

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His place will be: a moonballer who won several titles on clay in a time without any great claycourter.

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History will judge Nadal's career when he has retired.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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History will judge Nadal's career when he has retired.
its still fun to speculate. lot of what we do here is anticipation and speculation. this is why these forums exist. you will also note that i left it open for discussion about the aspects of his game as well. for instance, some may have suggestions as to how he can get even better on clay.

the matches and tournaments are actually quite brief and for that reason a lot of what we do is anticipate and speculate.

all that being said, you still make a good point.

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its still fun to speculate. lot of what we do here is anticipation and speculation. this is why these forums exist.

the matches and tournaments are actually quite brief.

all that being said, you still make a good point.
Not really, there is only so far speculation goes, before it turns into broken dreams, grand delusions, knee jerk reactions and there are more than enough examples of this.

Hence my answer wait till Nadal retires, then it will one easier to judge and to realise what he actually achieved, too many variables involved.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Passing Borg as the benchmark on clay? No, not when the final chapter is written about Nadal's career- he won't be at that level. No disrespect to his achievements, but no Borg.
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Modern Vilas in a way.

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Passing Borg as the benchmark on clay? No, not when the final chapter is written about Nadal's career- he won't be at that level. No disrespect to his achievements, but no Borg.

what if he ends up with 7 French Opens?

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what if he ends up with 7 French Opens?
Won't happen.
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Won't happen.
i think if he gets his 4th this year, the next 3 are in tha bag. who will ever believe--even for a second--that they can beat him at Roland Garros. all the players think he is damn near invincible on dirt now.

you have to remember that he gets his 4th Roland Garros title just 6 days after his 22nd birthday.

that effectively gives him 7 years to get 3.

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what if he ends up with 7 French Opens?
CD, are you talking pure TENNIS results only? Even if he were to reach that, which is just an incredible undertaking as it is...

Borg is just legendary beyond typical boundaries of the sport, you know? He is that one in a billion shot that transcended the general term, "tennis player."

He's an amazing talent on clay...but I just couldn't pull the trigger on giving him the nod as the greatest above Borg, even with the 7 trophies, if you are using standards beyond titles alone.
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CD, are you talking pure TENNIS results only? Even if he were to reach that, which is just an incredible undertaking as it is...

Borg is just legendary beyond typical boundaries of the sport, you know? He is that one in a billion shot that transcended the general term, "tennis player."

He's an amazing talent on clay...but I just couldn't pull the trigger on giving him the nod as the greatest above Borg, even with the 7 trophies, if you are using standards beyond titles alone.

i meant only on clay Kitty. i think 7 Roland Garros titles nets Nadal the best ever on clay title.

he is no Borg. not with Borg sitting on 11 slams by 25. 5 Wimby titles is legendary stuff.

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i think if he gets his 4th this year, the next 3 are in tha bag. who will ever believe--even for a second--that they can beat him at Roland Garros. all the players think he is damn near invincible on dirt now.

you have to remember that he gets his 4th Roland Garros title just 6 days after his 22nd birthday.

that effectively gives him 7 years to get 3.
Yeah right. Hard to expect logic from you, but there's something called burnout and he'll be suffering from that soon enough we all hope.
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Yeah right. Hard to expect logic from you, but there's something called burnout and he'll be suffering from that soon enough we all hope.

you are having problems with simple logic now or what.

if he can get 4 in 4 years, what is to stop him from getting 3 in 7 years.

at just 21 now you dont think he will improve his overall game and accordingly become even more dominant on clay. i am not saying that he will continue to win every single match on clay but he can surely target Roland Garros. time is on his side. he has won 94 of his last 95 matches on clay since 2005. this tells us that he can get it done on dirt.

lets see your logic.


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