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Why can't American players play well in the French Open?

James Blake's best FO record: 3rd round, 2006.
Andy Roddick's best FO record:3rd round, 2001. (lol)
I think it's because the majority of American players are baseliners who like to dominate strokes, and on clay the ball bounces a lot slower, therefore they cannot hit as much winners, that must surely be the reason?
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James Blake's best FO record: 3rd round, 2006.
Andy Roddick's best FO record:3rd round, 2001. (lol)
I think it's because the majority of American players are baseliners who like to dominate strokes, and on clay the ball bounces a lot slower, therefore they cannot hit as much winners, that must surely be the reason?

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Re: Why can't American players play well in the French Open?

They don't know how to slide into a shot. People forget that movement on a clay court is arguably the most important factor. If you play on primarily hardcourts you're used to having stable footing and you can more or less plant your feet to launch into a shot...try doing that on clay and you'll end up on your arse.
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I'm just annoyed at how Roddick can win the USO, reach Wimbledon final twice and do well on hard courts yet when French arrives it's hell for him, same with Blake.
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Long standing agreement with the French government, we send our male players over there to make them look good, make the US look humble instead of that whole 'we saved your sorry asses in WW2' crap that was going on for so long. Courier and Chang tried to go outside the agreement, and you saw what happened to them. Agassi was allowed to win it once, because Chirac liked him. They left doubles out of the agreement, which explains the whole Jensen Brothers debacle.

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I'm thinking Roddick can't do well on clay because he wears Crocs. He keeps getting clay in the holes when he slides, it's just uncomfortable. Just my opinion, of course.
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Because they have had monumental bad luck in every RG match they're played.

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Re: Why can't American players play well in the French Open?

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I'm just annoyed at how Roddick can win the USO, reach Wimbledon final twice and do well on hard courts yet when French arrives it's hell for him, same with Blake.
I was gonna make a snarky post to this thread, but maybe you are being serious, so I will give you a serious answer at least where Roddick is concerned. Well first, for all of them, part of the problem is the practice and dedication. In the US in general today, there are not enough clay courts, these guys are not learning to move on it from a young age, and that is huge. The second aspect is mental. They are almost conditioned to not do well on it. Thirdly, they have Wimbledon coming up immediately after, and then because they play such full summer hardcourt seasons, they get a feeling of "wait, should I really exert myself that hard to do well on a surface where I might get exhausted and threaten my chances to do well on the surfaces I'm really good on?" Maybe it's poor and flawed logic, but I believe it's true (and Roddick said as much in a press conference at Indian Wells last month).

So anyway here is my opinion about Roddick. OK, he will never do great at the French because of his game - this is plainly obvious. But for me, with him it is more an issue that he doesn't care as much; it's all in his head. If you have seen him play any of the numerous Davis Cup matches he's played on clay over the past few years, he fights like hell. Granted, except for Rafa and Moya in 2004, he hasn't played really good claycourters, but the point is that he's shown that he's capable of playing good matches on the surface - even against Rafa and Moya, he played several tight sets and was at least able to hold his own for a while, and for me this is because he cares so much about DC, he's willing to leave it all out there and do everything he can. For me, if he played RG with the same amount of passion and focus and overall "pumped-up-ness" he would do better there and maybe he would've won some of the close ones he's lost over the years. It's not to say he doesn't care at all (this is the guy who was crying when he had to retire a couple years ago after trying to play on a pretty serious ankle sprain, and he's said more than once that he really wants to make the 2nd week before his career is over), but it's just not the same. You can see it in things like his energy level and all around demeanor that are different at the 3 other slams and DC.

Of course the more important question is why, and unfortunately he's the only one who can answer that. Maybe it's a subconscious feeling of having one eye on Wimbledon and the knowledge that it's a tournament he really knows he cannot win and so he finds it hard to really pump himself up mentally for. Maybe he's just the cowardly lazy schmuck people on here think he is and he just doesn't give a shit. Maybe he's lacking the confidence because he hasn't dedicated himself enough to improving on it so in the tight moments he can't close the deal. And the possibilities go on and on and on and regardless of the reason, it doesn't affect how unfortunate it is. Because I think even most of the people who believe he's a no-talent serving machine think he should be able to win a few matches there at least a couple times in his career (depending on his draw).

I don't think all this stuff is applicable to just him, but I only say it in reference to him because I follow him the most.

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James Blake's best FO record: 3rd round, 2006.
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I think it's because the majority of American players are baseliners who like to dominate strokes, and on clay the ball bounces a lot slower, therefore they cannot hit as much winners, that must surely be the reason?
Blake's Aggressive offensive style is not fix on Clay

Just not go to work, He need be much more patience on clay. In other words, He need change his offensive style a little bit

Andy Roddick is not a baseliner, He got a big serve which usually not work on clay. I just don't want to see him come to Net too many times

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smitty I was gonna make a snarky post to this thread, but maybe you are being serious, so I will give you a serious answer at least where Roddick is concerned. Well first, for all of them, part of the problem is the practice and dedication. In the US in general today, there are not enough clay courts, these guys are not learning to move on it from a young age, and that is huge. The second aspect is mental. They are almost conditioned to not do well on it. Thirdly, they have Wimbledon coming up immediately after, and then because they play such full summer hardcourt seasons, they get a feeling of "wait, should I really exert myself that hard to do well on a surface where I might get exhausted and threaten my chances to do well on the surfaces I'm really good on?" Maybe it's poor and flawed logic, but I believe it's true (and Roddick said as much in a press conference at Indian Wells last month).

So anyway here is my opinion about Roddick. OK, he will never do great at the French because of his game - this is plainly obvious. But for me, with him it is more an issue that he doesn't care as much; it's all in his head. If you have seen him play any of the numerous Davis Cup matches he's played on clay over the past few years, he fights like hell. Granted, except for Rafa and Moya in 2004, he hasn't played really good claycourters, but the point is that he's shown that he's capable of playing good matches on the surface - even against Rafa and Moya, he played several tight sets and was at least able to hold his own for a while, and for me this is because he cares so much about DC, he's willing to leave it all out there and do everything he can. For me, if he played RG with the same amount of passion and focus and overall "pumped-up-ness" he would do better there and maybe he would've won some of the close ones he's lost over the years. It's not to say he doesn't care at all (this is the guy who was crying when he had to retire a couple years ago after trying to play on a pretty serious ankle sprain, and he's said more than once that he really wants to make the 2nd week before his career is over), but it's just not the same. You can see it in things like his energy level and all around demeanor that are different at the 3 other slams and DC.

Of course the more important question is why, and unfortunately he's the only one who can answer that. Maybe it's a subconscious feeling of having one eye on Wimbledon and the knowledge that it's a tournament he really knows he cannot win and so he finds it hard to really pump himself up mentally for. Maybe he's just the cowardly lazy schmuck people on here think he is and he just doesn't give a shit. Maybe he's lacking the confidence because he hasn't dedicated himself enough to improving on it so in the tight moments he can't close the deal. And the possibilities go on and on and on and regardless of the reason, it doesn't affect how unfortunate it is. Because I think even most of the people who believe he's a no-talent serving machine think he should be able to win a few matches there at least a couple times in his career (depending on his draw).

I don't think all this stuff is applicable to just him, but I only say it in reference to him because I follow him the most.


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I think it's because the majority of American players are baseliners who like to dominate strokes, and on clay the ball bounces a lot slower, therefore they cannot hit as much winners, that must surely be the reason?

ok groundstroke one simple explanation is that we grow up on hard courts and develop games that are ideally suited for hard courts. this game just doesnt translate well on clay:

1. your best weapons--like andy`s serve or blake's overpowering but inconsistent drives--are quickly negated by dirt. so their best weapons lose some of their luster as soon as they walk out on that surface.

2. Americans also find moving on clay to be bit problematic. Roddick doesnt move well at all on clay. he finds the surface uncomfortable and too unstable for his taste.

3. Amercians like the idea of high risk, quick/first strike advantage which works well on hard courts. on clay, people can run down some of these shots with ease. so the high risk game does not translate well on clay.

4. Amercians also are impatient. you need to able to construct points and play it like a chess match on clay.

5. finally, fitness is critical. American are just not willing to grind away for 4+ hours on dirt so they never train for the fitness needed for dirt.

all 9 American players lost in the very 1st round at the last French Open. they have to make some changes. its just that simple.

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I just thank god for Spadea. He's made it to the 3rd round on three separate occassions.
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