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Fed may lose #1 ranking? Points of 6-28-04

1 (1) 4860 Federer, Roger
2 (2) 4495 Roddick, Andy
3 (3) 3770 Coria, Guillermo
4 (7) 2610 Moya, Carlos
5 (6) 2505 Henman, Tim
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9 (10) 1990 Hewitt, Lleyton
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If Fed looses to Hewitt, then Andy will take over the lead, in the Year rankings, not champions race. How many points do you gain from the quarters until the final? How can Fed maintain his ranking at #1?
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Re: Fed may lose #1 ranking? Points of 6-28-04

Oh Lord, I haven't been a tennis fan for a long time. So can someone explain to me what's the difeerence between the Year rankings and the Champions race? lol thanks
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Re: Fed may lose #1 ranking? Points of 6-28-04

If Federer loses to Hewitt then Andy will have to win Wimbledon to be #1 I think
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Re: Fed may lose #1 ranking? Points of 6-28-04

I think this is a very complicated calculation that only ATP knows.

At this years AO, before playing the Semi's against Ferrero, Federer sarcastically said that his 'math is good enough' to calculate that he would be no.1 by defeating Ferrero.

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I dont know how to calculate it but it would be more fun...that's for sure....I would like to have a tight race - more fun for everybody!! C'mon Lleyton!!
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Oh Lord, I haven't been a tennis fan for a long time. So can someone explain to me what's the difeerence between the Year rankings and the Champions race? lol thanks
This is EXACTLY what the Champions Race is designed NOT to do.
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I think by this point, Roger would have to lose today to Hewitt and Andy would have to win the title to be #1. Since neither seems REALLY likely, I think Fed will stay right where he is

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Re: Fed may lose #1 ranking? Points of 6-28-04

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Oh Lord, I haven't been a tennis fan for a long time. So can someone explain to me what's the difeerence between the Year rankings and the Champions race? lol thanks
The Champions Race is only from January to now, the entry rankings go back 12 months
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Re: Fed may lose #1 ranking? Points of 6-28-04

If Federer loses today, Roddick neeeds to get to the final to be #1:

1 (1) 4860 + 0 = 4860 Federer, Roger
2 (2) 4495 + 450 = 4945 Roddick, Andy

Obs.: 450 = 700 (final points) - 250 (quarterfinal points)
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1 (1) 4860 Federer, Roger
2 (2) 4495 Roddick, Andy
3 (3) 3770 Coria, Guillermo
4 (7) 2610 Moya, Carlos
5 (6) 2505 Henman, Tim
6 (4) 2475 Nalbandian, David
7 (5) 2435 Ferrero, Juan Carlos
8 (8) 2190 Schuettler, Rainer
9 (10) 1990 Hewitt, Lleyton
10 (9) 1905 Agassi, Andre
If Fed looses to Hewitt, then Andy will take over the lead, in the Year rankings, not champions race. How many points do you gain from the quarters until the final? How can Fed maintain his ranking at #1?
Note: you are quoting the twelve-month rankings, called the "Entry" rankings by the ATP (and in my opinion, these are the real rankings). The "Race" rankings are the year to date rankings (starting at the beginning of the season).

Race: Federer will be number one in the race after Wimbledon; Roddick is not close enough to overtake him.

Entry: Federer will be number one after Wimbledon if he gets to the final, even if Roddick beats him. If he loses in the semi but Roddick fails to win the title he is still top, and also if he loses today as long as Roddick fails to get to the final.

Put more simply, Roddick will be number one if he wins and Federer is not in the final, or if he is runner-up and Federer loses to Hewitt. Otherwise Roger stays put.

Still sounds complicated enough
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Re: Fed may lose #1 ranking? Points of 6-28-04

Points before this year's Wimbledon

Federer: 5610
Roddick: 4695


Points as of the quarterfinals right now,

Federer: 5610 - 1000 (last year W) + 250 (this year QF) = 4860

Roddick: 4695 - 450 (last year SF) + 250 (this year QF) = 4495

(Don't confuse the 4860 and 4495 figures with the ranking points at the start of the tournament)

QF loss,
Federer: 4860
Roddick: 4495

SF loss,
Federer: 5060
Roddick: 4695

Final loss,
Federer: 5310
Roddick: 4945

Title-winner,
Federer: 5610
Roddick: 5245

Therefore, if Federer loses today to Hewitt in the quarters, Roddick must make the final to be world No. 1.

If Federer loses in the semi, Roddick must win the title to be No. 1

If Federer makes the final, he remains world No. 1 regardless of who wins the title.
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Re: Fed may lose #1 ranking? Points of 6-28-04

After Fedrerer and Roddick both through to SF, the situation is simple: Roddick will be #1 if he wins Wimby and Federer lose in SF, otherwise Fed stays #1 .
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Cool! Go Roddick!
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After Fedrerer and Roddick both through to SF, the situation is simple: Roddick will be #1 if he wins Wimby and Federer lose in SF, otherwise Fed stays #1 .
Good to hear that, and the next months Roddick has more points to defend then Roger I guess


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Good to hear that, and the next months Roddick has more points to defend then Roger I guess
Yes, about Andy has about 4 times the amount of points Roger has to defend to the end of the USO.
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