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WTA:Henin to play max. 12 tourneys per year. Are ATP and WTA "squeezing" the players?

This is from Henin's website. How does things work on the ATP?

This is a traduction from WTAworld.com. I just wanted to share 'coz this has been a serious issue between tours and players lately

www.henin-hardenne.be

Squeezed as lemons

27/06/2004:
The last years the elite players of the WTA are having more and more injuries. The williams sisters, J. Capriati, L. Davenport, A. Mauresmo en most recent Kim and Justine. For Carlos Rodriguez it isn't a coincidence ...

Carlos Rodriguez doesn't hide his dissatifaction about the WTA. Already a few days before RG he didn't hesistate to say what a lot off people thought already for a long time ...

"Well it's sad to says these things but imo the WTA is shriking their responsability more and more for what is happening in women's tennis today. And it's not only the WTA, several agency who are partners with the WTA are also reponsable.
They find subtil ways to let players do more and more, be more around for several things. Welll players need rest, one hour rest is as important as one hour tennis or physical training."

They are squeezing them, jut like lemon's...
"They are squeezing the players like lemon's and that's the reason topplayers are out for a long time. Kim, the number 2 in the world, 8 months out, Justine maybe out for several months. These 2 girls did a lot for women's tennis and look how they got rewarded ... both in a period of recovery!"

Justine's coach doesn't hesistate to bring out the lack of respect from the WTA to her players.
"Let me say something very important: some time ago Justine got a call from the WTA. Not to ask how she was, how she felt, no, the only thing they said was that if she didn't play that one tournament, she had to participate to another. In my opinion that's a lack of respect for everything Justine did to the sport and it shows perfectly how they care about the players. They use them, throw them away and when they are back on court, they will squeeze them again."

Another example from Carlos again shows the lack of respect.
Justine had to fill in a questionary in Paris (RG). One of the questions asked her opinion about the injuries in the circuit but the answer was already filled in, they replied in her place. It's hypocritcal, again a lack of respect and profesionalism from the organisation. The problem is ... nobody says something about it.

This problem isn't new...

"What's happening today isn't something that started a month are two ago, it has been there alreday for years and it's got bigger and bigger. If we take the 10 players fro the top 10 we'll see that 8 of them had already an injury, and had been out for 1.5 month at least, in the first 6 months of this year!"

The medical assistence for the players is working very well ...
"As much as I give critism to the organisation, as much good words for the medical assistance because that's very well arranged. But there is a huge difference between the things the doctors, kinests and dieticians from the WTA are saying and what happens on the courts. The WTA doesn't matter what the doctors are saying. An example: Justine has Filderstadt on her scedule followed by 1 week of rest and Zurich and the WTA called her to say she has to play Moskou instead of resting!"

Topplayers has to be everywhere all the time. Playing a lot of tournaments and lots of obligations are pushing them to the limit. For some of them there's a injury, for others the body resisted such as Justine. She was fysically perfectly prepared but still has to wait to be healthy again ...The solution: playing less tournaments and less obligations off court!


"When you're a top 8-player you must play at least 18 tournaments, and that's already a lot, without counting the Fed Cup, Olympics, ... I don't get it? Where does those people wonna end?" Carlos explains.
"When you play 6 or 7 days in a tournament, there are 4 days when they are obligated to do things, and I'm not talking about the interviews. The players aren't made to do those things."

If a player doesn't show up at a tournament she has to pay a fine...
"If Justine doesn't go to Moskou, she'll have to pay 50 000$! It's a shame. If she isn't going, it is because of her health but they don't get it. When a player withdraws from a tournament, she must have a medical certificate or a very good excuse but certificate or not they have to pay that fine. And there isn't a way to object or refuse because they take the amount of the fine away from the next prizemoney won in other tournaments. I made a little calculation: 500 000-750 000$ is earned by the WTA each year by getting those fines ... but you don't know where the money goes too."

Carlos doubts WTA will change some things but one thing is for sure, if Justine comes back, things will change for her!
"It's necessary to talk about it, I don't know why others don't do it, maybe they are afraid, but I don't care. The things I go through with Justine today is very hard for her. If Justine gets back, and she will, things are going to change! They aren't gonna push her to go there where they want her to go. She won't do anything she doesn't want to, she will do things for herself, things she likes. Players aren't made to do all those things off court. If she wants to play several years, she'll have to change her methodes. From the next tournament she plays, we will play following our rules, no negotiations. I said to Justine: you wonna pay for 6 years? Well if you wonna play only 12 tournaments a year than that's the thing we'll do and we will pay those fines but the whole world will know why you'll have to pay them."

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Re: WTA:Henin to play max. 12 tourneys per year. Are ATP and WTA "squeezing" the players?

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Re: WTA:Henin to play max. 12 tourneys per year. Are ATP and WTA "squeezing" the players?

Hi, fleemke. You were the one who posted this at Wtaworld, did you? Well, i thought it was interesting so i posted it here
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I think justine can play more than 12 tournaments in one year.
even if she did do this i wonder which 8? (antwerp of course, maybe berlin, san diego, zurich, indian wells, sydney, charleston, canada)?
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I think the girls should maybe be playing less as it has certainly burned out a few players including the Williams sisters, the Belgians and Hantuchova.
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Re: WTA:Henin to play max. 12 tourneys per year. Are ATP and WTA "squeezing" the players?

Didn't Justine catch the kissing disease after her win in Indian Wells or was it "just" kissing-disease and flu-like symptoms?

Anyway, if she really had it, the kissing disease can be a serious illness. It usually goes away after two/three weeks on its own, but enlarged lymph nodes can persist for many more weeks. And in most cases, fatigue or/and weakness may last for weeks, occasionally even for months.

And feeling fatigued or week is the automatic loss for any tennis player.

So, to get back on track, Justine should take it easy the next months.

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Neely, she doesn't have mono. She has a mono-like illness, but it's not mono.

Look, I don't believe for a second that Justine will restrict herself to 12 events, and secondly, I really don't know how anybody could blame the WTA schedule for Justine's illness.
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If she wants to play 12 tournements a year, she CAN play 12 tournements.

If she wants to play 5 tournements a year, she CAN play 5 tournements.

There is no problem. The only problem is spoiled tennis players who whine all the time.

The WTA is a business, and they also happens to be Henin's employer. They want her to play some tournements; if she doesn't, she pays a fine. It's fair to me. If she doesn't like it, just go find another job.

Like I said on wtaworld, why doesn't she play Moscow instead of Filderstadt?
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I agree with Andy this Andy that, 12 tournaments is just the 4 slams, the masters and 7 tournaments more, no tour can work if the top players only play 10/12 times a year.

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I agree with Andy this Andy that, 12 tournaments is just the 4 slams, the masters and 7 tournaments more, no tour can work if the top players only play 10/12 times a year.
Which was exactly what the WTA found out in the mid 90s.

But hey, the players will bitch forever. Let them.
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well imo I think Justine is drained now because she pushed herself way too hard with all the off court training and stuff. She also played a bit too much last year. Justine doesn't need to be pushed by the WTA to play so many tournaments, Serena and Venus don't play much and they manage, and I think Justine is good enough to play fewer tournaments (like 15 or something)

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well imo I think Justine is drained now because she pushed herself way too hard with all the off court training and stuff. She also played a bit too much last year. Justine doesn't need to be pushed by the WTA to play so many tournaments, Serena and Venus don't play much and they manage, and I think Justine is good enough to play fewer tournaments (like 15 or something)
And I would have to disagree. She's ill. She has a virus. That's why she's "drained".
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If she wants to play 12 tournements a year, she CAN play 12 tournements.

If she wants to play 5 tournements a year, she CAN play 5 tournements.

There is no problem. The only problem is spoiled tennis players who whine all the time.
No, the other problem is greedy tournament promoters and sponsors who want to hold tournaments at all costs. If a player was the only one getting rich, there would be no tournaments.

I think the tour can be divided into halves, one group playing January to Sept (Tour A) and the other playing April to January (Tour B). This would incorporate real off seasons, each Slam, and tournaments for every week of the year (except December).
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No, the other problem is greedy tournament promoters and sponsors who want to hold tournaments at all costs. If a player was the only one getting rich, there would be no tournaments.

I think the tour can be divided into halves, one group playing January to Sept (Tour A) and the other playing April to January (Tour B). This would incorporate real off seasons, each Slam, and tournaments for every week of the year (except December).
That would be a horrible idea. No offense.
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