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Re: Were Israelis Erlich and Ram denied entrance to Dubai?

"This is where the story gets significantly more muddled. I can’t get into all the details yet, but in essence, suggestions were raised that the tournament did not want the Israelis to play there and that on the eve of the event the ATP failed to provide the assurances the players needed, among them extra security and a formal letter of invitation from the government of Dubai.

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Fuel was added to their silence when I became aware of documentation showing, among other things, that part of their camp had demanded a large sum of money from the ATP, the Dubai tournament and its sponsors, as well as the cancellation of the Dubai tournament. Threats were made to bring the entire mess to the media. "
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Kudos to Doug Robson for putting a spotlight on this story when others won't. I hope he stays on it until the complete truth comes out.

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Israelis aren't allowed to enter the United Arab Emirates
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I thought I had read somewhere that Dubai would let Israeli tennis players in.

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Re: Were Israelis Erlich and Ram denied entrance to Dubai?

The first article is one I haven't read yet - VERY interesting.

Our security services probably advised them not to go, but they advise everyone not to go, the entire middle east is under severe travel alerts for Israelis, including all the countries we have peace agreements with.

Having said that, if they were in a position where no one told them that "Okay, you get to the airport and present your Israeli passport and you could go through, no problems" - it is small wonder they chose to skip it, and in that case the ATP failed to meet their end of the bargine.

Additionally, special security for Israeli playing in the middle east is something that must come hand in hand with the permission to enter the country, having one without the other is useless. It is a package deal.
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I thought I had read somewhere that Dubai would let Israeli tennis players in.
The formal letter of invitation apperantly never arrived.

It was unclear and up in the air all along.
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Thanks for posting these articles. I was curious myself and had speculated a teeny bit on their forum about it. I have a feeling my speculation may have been dead on.

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If it is the case that Dubai has failed to fulfill the assurances they made to the ATP, then this tournament needs to be pulled off the schedule. Of course, the ATP doesn't want that to happen, so it looks like they will manipulate history and make it look like 'world events' precluded Andyoni from going there. Shameful.

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Re: Were Israelis Erlich and Ram denied entrance to Dubai?

The problem is that to call the ATP bluff Andy and Yoni need to get on a plane and attempt to enter Dubai, hope for the best.

The idea of them being stuck in an airport in Dubai without being able to enter the country is not exactly one that would make them hop on a plane.
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If it is the case that Dubai has failed to fulfill the assurances they made to the ATP, then this tournament needs to be pulled off the schedule. Of course, the ATP doesn't want that to happen, so it looks like they will manipulate history and make it look like 'world events' precluded Andyoni from going there. Shameful.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the ATP Tour to do right by Andy and Yoni. The players have the power to make Dubai pay the price for this, but they won't.
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The problem is that to call the ATP bluff Andy and Yoni need to get on a plane and attempt to enter Dubai, hope for the best.

The idea of them being stuck in an airport in Dubai without being able to enter the country is not exactly one that would make them hop on a plane.
The best scenario was just being stuck in an airport. Being arrested would be a legitimate fear.
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Re: Were Israelis Erlich and Ram denied entrance to Dubai?

as long as the country's "habits" are as shady as they come, players should boycott the tournament, period. but who am i kidding, that's not gonna happen anyways. while i understand journeymen showing up to some extent, i don't get why roger or nadal feel like this is one of the tournament they constantly have to attend.
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as long as the country's "habits" are as shady as they come, players should boycott the tournament, period. but who am i kidding, that's not gonna happen anyways. while i understand journeymen showing up to some extent, i don't get why roger or nadal feel like this is one of the tournament they constantly have to attend.

Appearnace fees that are worth more than winning the tournament? Not to mention Dubai is Roger's second home.

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