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Did Roddick attack Sprem for "taking a point" from someone?

This was posted on WTAworld.com. It says it's form his press conference.
I strongly disagree with him.

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. If you were confronted with a situation like Karolina Sprem was yesterday where your opponent got a free point due to an umpire's error, what would you have done? What's the right thing to do?

ANDY RODDICK: Personally, I'd have trouble just taking a point from someone. You know, I've heard that no one noticed and stuff, but if it's the biggest match of your life, I'm figuring you know what the score is. That just seems like that would be the case.

But I'd have a real issue just pretending like nothing was wrong and just taking the point.

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Re: Did Roddick attack Sprem for "taking a point" from someone?

Can't you people read? Where did he attack Sprem?

He was talking about himself.
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Re: Did Roddick attack Sprem for "taking a point" from someone?

I'm just asking. I'm not saying he did it. But i disagree with him. You never know how would you react

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Re: Did Roddick attack Sprem for "taking a point" from someone?

Sorry if my reply was rude. But now people on wtaworld are all over that quote and it's just silly considering it was his personnal opinion.

You don't have to agree with him. It doesn't change the fact that he didn't attack Sprem.
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Re: Did Roddick attack Sprem for "taking a point" from someone?

LOL Alfonso. I don't think he was attacking Sprem, either. They posed a hypothetical question to him and he answered it.

I think this is one of those things where some people are looking for a controversy where there isn't any to begin with.

BTW, the umpire got booted from Wimbledon.

Umpire Who Bungled Venus Match Let Go

WIMBLEDON, England - The chair umpire who awarded an extra point to Venus Williams' opponent during her second-round loss at Wimbledon won't work another match during the tournament.

"I have now discussed the incident with the chair umpire concerned, and we have agreed it will be in the best interests of both parties if he takes no further part in the event," tournament referee Alan Mills said Friday.

The umpire's office wouldn't comment.

Ted Watts of Britain mistakenly gave Karolina Sprem a point she didn't earn in the final tiebreaker of Thursday night's 7-6 (5), 7-6 (6) upset of Williams, the 2000-01 Wimbledon champion.

The error made it 2-2 in the tiebreaker. Williams then built a 6-3 edge, but she lost the next five points for her earliest loss at the All England Club since her 1997 debut.

"I'd like to think he didn't do it on purpose," Williams said. "I don't think one call makes a match."

She led the tiebreaker 2-1 when Sprem hit a first serve ruled wide by the line judge, who put her arm out and shouted, "Fault!" Williams casually hit the ball over the net, and Sprem smacked a backhand into the open court. Williams stood still at the baseline, figuring it was time for a second serve.

But Watts announced the score as 2-2, the sort of mistake that occurs every so often but generally is noticed right away by one of the players or another on-court official.

With the players apparently unaware Sprem received a point she shouldn't have, they lined up again in the same positions for what both thought was a second serve. Indeed, Sprem put a safe offering in, and Williams laced a backhand return winner. That should have made it 3-1 for Williams, but Watts called it 3-2.

"Unfortunately, the way it happened, Venus didn't query it at the time," Mills said. "They played point after point afterward, and the result, I'm afraid, stands as is."

Other top players thought Williams or Sprem should have questioned the call.

Serena Williams, who said she didn't watch her sister's match, questioned why Sprem didn't acknowledge the error at the time.

"As a competitor and as a professional, you should be able to distinguish between right and wrong," said the two-time defending champion. "I've never been in a situation like that before. I'm an honest individual. If I were in that situation, I know I'd make the right choice."

Andy Roddick, seeded No. 2 in the men's draw, said both players and all the officials were partly responsible.

"Something like that shouldn't happen at a tournament of this magnitude," he said.

"Personally, I'd have trouble just taking a point from someone," he added. "I've heard that no one noticed and stuff, but if it's the biggest match of your life, I figure you know what the score is. ... I'd have a real issue just pretending like nothing was wrong and just taking the point."

Of Williams, he said: "I'm sure we've all forgotten the score from time to time, but I don't know in a tiebreaker on Centre Court at Wimbledon if I was threatening to be on my way out, if I'd forget it."

Sprem said Thursday she was confused but was focusing on the match.

"What kind of shape am I in now? Well round is a shape." said Roddick with a laugh. "I had a very detailed retirement plan, and I feel like I've met every aspect of it: a lot of golf, a lot of carbs, a lot of fried food, and some booze, occasionally — I've been completely committed ... The results have shown."


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Re: Did Roddick attack Sprem for "taking a point" from someone?

No matter what thing are different on court and off court... many a times we can easily comment on things that happen on court, when we're watching from the outside... but it could have happened when we were in court....

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No matter what thing are different on court and off court... many a times we can easily comment on things that happen on court, when we're watching from the outside... but it could have happened when we were in court....
I agree - I saw an interview with Venus last night and she said she didn't query the call because she often loses track of the score when playing. I certainly don't think Karolina was being unsporting - it was just an unfortunate incident and Venus certainly behaved brilliantly and handled herself really, really well - I've never been a fan of hers but she has certainly gone up in my estimation over this. And as for Andy "having trouble taking a point off someone" - guess all the Andy fans will attack me now, but I have often seen players concede a point if they think a linecall in their favour was incorrect - it is the sporting thing to do - but Andy is not one of them in my experience! So I think his comments are a little riseable here

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Re: Did Roddick attack Sprem for "taking a point" from someone?

Yeah. I can see where you wouldn't follow Andy that closely to notice whether he gives points to his opponents. But Andy has done that and his fans have commented on it at the time he did it too. There have even been posts on this board about it.

But, you know, I wouldn't know if David did or didn't conceed points to an opponent either because I don't follow him that closely.
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Alfonso, i dont know what Andy's talking about. Carnival Carnage made a good point, that Venus had to act like she didnt care in her press conference because she was spacey not to notice herself. Everyone was just spacey yesterday. I would like to say to Andy, Sprem was spacey. Venus was spacey. The umpire was spacey. Everyone was spacey. Sprem didnt just "take a point," everyone on that court was just braindead, not just Sprem. She didnt do anything sketchy because everyone was mutually ditzy
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Re: Did Roddick attack Sprem for "taking a point" from someone?

hm let's post all the quotes and not just some Oh and I have personally, at matches I have attended, witnessed Andy being very fair and giving back first serves and points and aces and stuff to his opponents several times, probably three or four in just the 7 or so matches of his I've seen.

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Q. If you were confronted with a situation like Karolina Sprem was yesterday where your opponent got a free point due to an umpire's error, what would you have done? What's the right thing to do?

ANDY RODDICK: Personally, I'd have trouble just taking a point from someone. You know, I've heard that no one noticed and stuff, but if it's the biggest match of your life, I'm figuring you know what the score is. That just seems like that would be the case.

But I'd have a real issue just pretending like nothing was wrong and just taking the point.

Q. What do you think should be done with regard to the umpire who made that call?

ANDY RODDICK: That's not my issue. You know, obviously, you know, if players make mistakes and go over the line, then they get punished. So maybe it should be the same for umpires. But, you know, I mean, we all make mistakes. You'd hope that it's not on Centre Court at Wimbledon. If this had happened on Court 13 with a qualifier playing qualifier, we probably would never have heard of it.

You know, it's just unfortunate for him that it happened on a pretty big stage when someone was on the verge of an upset.

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Q. What were your thoughts for Venus Williams, to have that sort of break against her?

ANDY RODDICK: I thought she handled it with a lot of class. I mean, I don't know what I would have done in that situation. Probably wouldn't have been pretty. But I think she was great about when it did happen. I think she was great afterwards, from what I've read, just saying, "Regardless, I'm still up 6-3."

I mean, I definitely have to respect the way she handled it. I mean, it's unfortunate. You know, probably behind the scenes she wants to kick someone. But, you know, I think it was pretty graceful the way she went about things.

Q. Were you surprised she didn't question the score? She obviously looked like, "Wait a minute, something is not right." She said later probably she did know something was wrong but she figured since no one was saying anything, she must have lost track of the score.

ANDY RODDICK: I can understand that maybe. I mean, I still think I'd like to know the score. But if everyone else is just going along with it, you know, obviously doubt creeps into your mind that, "Maybe I just spaced out." Then you have to face the question, "Am I really embarrassed if I ask if it's 3-1 and it's 3-2?"

I don't know. I've never been in that situation. Hopefully I won't have to be.

Q. Even more amazing was that the linesman that called the first serve out didn't get up and go to the chair and say, "I called that out, it wasn't a point."

ANDY RODDICK: Yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of scenarios. Something like that probably shouldn't happen at a tournament of this magnitude, but it did. You know, I guess that's that.

Q. Do you lose track of the score ever or are you pretty focused on that while you're playing?

ANDY RODDICK: I like to think in a tiebreaker I'd know what the score was. I don't recall. I'm sure we've all forgotten the score from time to time. But I don't know in a tiebreaker on Centre Court at Wimbledon if I was threatening to be on my way out, if I'd forget it. That seems to be something that would be on my mind.

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You know I am a big Andy fan (by the way it was me who posted this on the WTA board), but I´ll repeat my words here: Though it´s his sight and he was being asked what he WOULD have done in that situation, he clearly accused Sprem of cheating and being unfair. I hate to say this since Andy is a very fair player, but he really didn´t have the right to do this.

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but if it's the biggest match of your life, I'm figuring you know what the score is. That just seems like that would be the case
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He is cleary talking about Sprem, bottom line. How does he know what was going on in Sprem´s mind???

I am sorry Andy, as much as I like you...but your words suck big time! This has to be seen in a objective way.
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Re: Did Roddick attack Sprem for "taking a point" from someone?

Isn't Andy actually refering to both players? He also said he wouldn't forget the score if he was about to go out of the tournament.
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Re: Did Roddick attack Sprem for "taking a point" from someone?

It seems like a hidden reproach rather than an attack to me.. But what he thinks is basically what everyone else thinks about it.

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Alfonso, i dont know what Andy's talking about. Carnival Carnage made a good point, that Venus had to act like she didnt care in her press conference because she was spacey not to notice herself. Everyone was just spacey yesterday. I would like to say to Andy, Sprem was spacey. Venus was spacey. The umpire was spacey. Everyone was spacey. Sprem didnt just "take a point," everyone on that court was just braindead, not just Sprem. She didnt do anything sketchy because everyone was mutually ditzy
Thats how it appeared to me at the time. EVERYONE was out of it. The lines people too. The crowd too. Cliffy picked up on it though just as soon as the umpire called the score. He murmered "Oh no."

Bottom line is that we will never know what either Venus or Sprem was actually thinking. From watching all of the stuff yesterday, sometimes I thought that both of them were confused and unaware, and sometimes I have thought that both of them did know that something was wrong and chose for their own separate reasons not to say something. I can't make heads or tails of it, and I don't think anyone who isn't a confidant of both girls and the umpire will ever know for sure the whole truth.
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