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Novak will be to Roger as Seles was to Graf?

Just an idea that passed in my head. Roger, like Steffi did in 1990/91, is not playing his beat for whatever reason after several dominant years. Then a great talent comes along and rises quickly up the rankings, defeating them in big finals and Grand slams and scooping up the titles for themselves. If the similarities continue, expect this year and the next to see Novak rise to number one and Roger fall to number two and Novak to win at oz and Us while Fed wins Wimby and Nadal wins at the French.
Just an idea..nothing serious.
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so you mean Nole will get american citizenship in the future???

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Just an idea that passed in my head. Roger, like Steffi did in 1990/91, is not playing his beat for whatever reason after several dominant years. Then a great talent comes along and rises quickly up the rankings, defeating them in big finals and Grand slams and scooping up the titles for themselves. If the similarities continue, expect this year and the next to see Novak rise to number one and Roger fall to number two and Novak to win at oz and Us while Fed wins Wimby and Nadal wins at the French.
Just an idea..nothing serious.
I brought forth this idea weeks ago but it was laughed off. Notice how Federer is using Graf-ian tactics in response? Very defensive and ineffective.

Let's just pray we don't get another Gunther Parche, because I really think that Federer has more passionate fans than Graf ever did. All this GOAT stuff has gotten to both his head and the heads of his diehard fans.

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Yeah it is something I just thought of. I am a big fan of Graf and there is something about the way Roger is playing and the buzz around his recent losses that reminds me of Steffi back then. Steffi lost confidence and was usurped by Monica suddenly and no one really expected Seles to be so successful so young which is why her rise was so exciting and much needed for the Tour. If Novak keeps up his hard work and mentality, he may surprise a lot of people, too.
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Re: Novak will be to Roger as Seles was to Graf?

Last year I opened a threat very similar as this one you propose but for me the Seles character was played by Nadal, a left hander like Seles (by the way he has beaten Roger in the French '05 Semis and '06 and '07 finals as Seles did with Graf in '90 and '92 finals)so...let's wait if Novak is able to reach the number one spot in the rankings he has to defend lots of points too (Miami, Estoril, Canadian Open...)
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Last year I opened a threat very similar as this one you propose but for me the Seles character was played by Nadal, a left hander like Seles (by the way he has beaten Roger in the French '05 Semis and '06 and '07 finals as Seles did with Graf in '90 and '92 finals)so...let's wait if Novak is able to reach the number one spot in the rankings he has to defend lots of points too (Miami, Estoril, Canadian Open...)
He's not playing Estoril. That tells you something about his ambitions re: Monte Carlo and Rome.

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Last year I opened a threat very similar as this one you propose but for me the Seles character was played by Nadal, a left hander like Seles (by the way he has beaten Roger in the French '05 Semis and '06 and '07 finals as Seles did with Graf in '90 and '92 finals)so...let's wait if Novak is able to reach the number one spot in the rankings he has to defend lots of points too (Miami, Estoril, Canadian Open...)
I hear you about the Nadal idea. It especially fits in with Seles' wins over Graf at the French. Novak remembles Seles a little more regarding his HC ability. I think Novak is more likely to win at the French than Nadal is at either the US or Oz Opens.
Earlier I was thinking of casting Nadal as Sanchez Vicario in a remake of the WTA tour 90/92. Nalbandian would be Sabatini.
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Just an idea that passed in my head. Roger, like Steffi did in 1990/91, is not playing his beat for whatever reason after several dominant years. Then a great talent comes along and rises quickly up the rankings, defeating them in big finals and Grand slams and scooping up the titles for themselves. If the similarities continue, expect this year and the next to see Novak rise to number one and Roger fall to number two and Novak to win at oz and Us while Fed wins Wimby and Nadal wins at the French.
Just an idea..nothing serious.

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He's not playing Estoril. That tells you something about his ambitions re: Monte Carlo and Rome.

i think he will be tough on clay but may not be tough enough to gun down Nadal.

i now believe that these losses the Nadal has been having will force him to produce twice the resolve to protect his turf. he may be vulnerable in Monte Carlo since it will be his first clay event and he has been in a slump but it will not be long before he turns into an absolute clay monster again.

translation: Rome and Roland Garros are off limits. you can stop dreaming. Djokovic is good but he is no match for Nadal on clay. never has been.

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Re: Novak will be to Roger as Seles was to Graf?

This Seles comparison scares me. I don't want to see Novak have a certain part of Seles's career... the sheer thought of it...
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And Nadal is Arantxa Sanchez.
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I hear you about the Nadal idea. It especially fits in with Seles' wins over Graf at the French. Novak remembles Seles a little more regarding his HC ability. I think Novak is more likely to win at the French than Nadal is at either the US or Oz Opens.
Earlier I was thinking of casting Nadal as Sanchez Vicario in a remake of the WTA tour 90/92. Nalbandian would be Sabatini.
!!!Great Characters!!!
Federer_______Graf
Nadal_________Sanchez Vicario
Djokovic______Seles
Nalbandian____Sabatini

That was for me the BEST WTA TOUR age, from 89/90 until 96/97
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This Seles comparison scares me. I don't want to see Novak have a certain part of Seles's career... the sheer thought of it...
I don't want to see that either. It still makes me sad to think what happened to Seles. I am only alluding to how Novak is rising so quickly and confidently up the rankings and winning big titles to how Seles did the same in 1990. I don't think anyone was predicting Novak to have so much success so soon a year ago. Were they?
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Re: Novak will be to Roger as Seles was to Graf?

I think this analogy, just like the one with Mozart, Beethoven and Saulieri, is useless. It's not that there aren't certain elements of similarities there, it's just that there are no end of situations with some similarities. Truth is in tennis each of this type of situation is unique and it will not follow previous patterns exactly even if comparisons exist.

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!!!Great Characters!!!
Federer_______Graf
Nadal_________Sanchez Vicario
Djokovic______Seles
Nalbandian____Sabatini

That was for me the BEST WTA TOUR age, from 89/90 until 96/97
I know this is off topic but I love the 89-92 years the most. Sabatini, Sanchez, Seles and Graf are to me Nalby, Nadal, Novak and Fed, whom I prefer in that order while, regarding the women, I prefer them in the order of Graf, Seles, Sanchez and Sabatini.
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