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Fed bagel watch: Or how TF tries to make this Slam interesting....

I've taken it for granted before this Slam even started that Federer was going to win his 3rd Slam in a year. He's full of confidence, has the gifts, and his first two matches have been walk throughs.

Everyone else is going to be fighting for a semi-final or runner-up spot.

So, how to make the inevitable seem interesting? Well, let's count how quickly the Fed doles out the bagels.

So far...2 in 2 matches. Both in the 3rd set, meaning that his opponents have tired out quickly.

Round 1: Alex Bogdanovic GBR, 20, Rank #295, WC, left-hander 6 3 6 3 6 0
Round 2: Alejandro Falla COL, 21, Rank #134, Qualifier 6 1 6 2 6 0
Qtrs: Lleyton Hewitt AUS #7 seed, 23 Rank#10 6/1 6/7(4) 6/0 6/4

Eggy is not around, nor Sjengster, but anyone know the record for bagels in a Slam tournament?

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Re: Fed bagel watch: Or how TF tries to make this Slam interesting....

Poor qualifiers ,especially the last one who match was only 54 min.
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Re: Fed bagel watch: Or how TF tries to make this Slam interesting....

Hi, Tennis Fool.

I don't have your stats. But, I must agree that this major isn't doing it for me, yet. That's not usually the case with me. I'm always happy to see tennis on the tube.

Unlike you, I'm not ready to crown Roger. But, his domination has been beautiful to watch in the first two rounds.

I'm happy for Moya, Coria, and Ferrero's early wins. Henman and Goran are good side stories, too.

Sprem/Williams has been the most competitive and highest quality so far for me. I really enjoyed it. I wanted both of them to win for different reasons.

Any thoughts?
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Re: Fed bagel watch: Or how TF tries to make this Slam interesting....

Scary stats: Alejandro Falla won 34 points in 3 sets, 5 points in the third.

I don't know, but I doubt Roger would hand out any more bagels now, since the opponents are a lot tougher.
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There are probably a lot of other bagel-records, but in last year's French Open Flavio Saretta put 3 bagels in his first 2 matches, and against A. Martin and Kafelnikov, players much more stronger then Bogdanovic and Falla.
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Re: Fed bagel watch: Or how TF tries to make this Slam interesting....

Hi JMP

I don't have cable so rely on the highlight reels on the evening news until the weekend NBC coverage. I didn't see the Venus match, but really feel bad for Venus going out so early in these Slams, especially on arguably her best surface. This is the time I really miss Monica She'd show these upstarts how its done. I do like seeing the new faces though. Although the all-Russian final was a blowout at the French, its good to see new faces on the WTA side.

The only issues I have are in not seeing the ATP "up and comers" because they can't seem to get it together at Slams (i.e. Fish and Gasquet, for example). This has an upside as I will probably get to see them in the early rounds of the US Open, which I try to attend every year.

BTW, Fed owns his next opponent Thomas J. 5-0.


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Hi, Tennis Fool.

I don't have your stats. But, I must agree that this major isn't doing it for me, yet. That's not usually the case with me. I'm always happy to see tennis on the tube.

Unlike you, I'm not ready to crown Roger. But, his domination has been beautiful to watch in the first two rounds.

I'm happy for Moya, Coria, and Ferrero's early wins. Henman and Goran are good side stories, too.

Sprem/Williams has been the most competitive and highest quality so far for me. I really enjoyed it. I wanted both of them to win for different reasons.

Any thoughts?
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There are probably a lot of other bagel-records, but in last year's French Open Flavio Saretta put 3 bagels in his first 2 matches, and against A. Martin and Kafelnikov, players much more stronger then Bogdanovic and Falla.
Bagels are quite more common on clay than they are on grass
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Re: Fed bagel watch: Or how TF tries to make this Slam interesting....

It's incredibly presumptuous to suggest that Federer already has this Slam in the bag when we haven't even completed two rounds yet. I can virtually guarantee that the bagels will stop here, not just because he's playing better quality opposition but because they all have big serves - Johansson, Lopez/Karlovic, Ivanisevic, Moya, even to a certain extent Hewitt (who is certainly not going to get bagelled by Federer on grass)

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ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

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Re: Fed bagel watch: Or how TF tries to make this Slam interesting....

Who knows how many he will get. But those last 2 opponents just suck hard so him bageling them was kinda expected

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Re: Fed bagel watch: Or how TF tries to make this Slam interesting....

federer's good, but look at his opponents!
bogdanovic---ranked 295, havent been moving up the rankings
falla---sory, but i havent even heard of this guy before

johansson should be the gauge. if federer had gotten, ay, hewitt's 1st 2 round opponents, his scorelines might have been different!
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Re: Fed bagel watch: Or how TF tries to make this Slam interesting....

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It's incredibly presumptuous to suggest that Federer already has this Slam in the bag when we haven't even completed two rounds yet. I can virtually guarantee that the bagels will stop here, not just because he's playing better quality opposition but because they all have big serves - Johansson, Lopez/Karlovic, Ivanisevic, Moya, even to a certain extent Hewitt (who is certainly not going to get bagelled by Federer on grass)
Well Fed DID bagel Hewitt on rebound ace, which IS Hewitt's best surface, an in Australia, so i think he could, if he puts his mind to it. But perhaps he dosnt want to embarass him that badly, like at Hamburg, which saw Federer only lose 4 games. He wont bagel any of the big servers, but i think he could bagel Hewitt, if he works very hard at it, because Hewitt dosnt have a very good serve. I predict he'll give a couple more in the tournement, but no more. Plenty of breadsticks for him to give out, no??

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no more bagels for roger unless he meets hewitt
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Re: Fed bagel watch: Or how TF tries to make this Slam interesting....

I know once Sergi Bruguera won a match at RG with the score of 6-0, 6-0, 6-0.

Don't know who was his opponent in that match though.

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Well Fed DID bagel Hewitt on rebound ace, which IS Hewitt's best surface, an in Australia, so i think he could, if he puts his mind to it. But perhaps he dosnt want to embarass him that badly, like at Hamburg, which saw Federer only lose 4 games. He wont bagel any of the big servers, but i think he could bagel Hewitt, if he works very hard at it, because Hewitt dosnt have a very good serve. I predict he'll give a couple more in the tournement, but no more. Plenty of breadsticks for him to give out, no??
Uh-huh... Rebound Ace suits Hewitt's game so much that the AO is his worst Slam. He may have done very well in warm-up events but he's never translated that into success at Melbourne, after the Federer loss he complained that there wasn't a standard Rebound Ace court and the one at the AO varied from others he had played on and won on. Hewitt's serve can be unreliable, but when it's on it gets him a lot of cheap points and especially on grass where the surface aids him. He's been serving very well in his last few matches, and will not be crunched in any set I think.

Yes, I'm looking forward with keen interest to the amount of breadsticks Federer will be able to administer to Lopez or Karlovic in the 4th round.

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Well i can gaurentee you against Federer, he'll get virtually no cheap points, as Federer is the best returner out there, and will put several balls back in play. Rebound ace is his best surface, even if results dont exactly show that. He's said it is as well. And playing a Goran, well passed his prime days dosnt exactly count as a great win. Really any surface thats slow and the ball sits up, and isnt clay, Hewitt does his best on. But yes, he's good on grass too, but a big server is going to take him down, possibly crunch him (AKA Roddick Queens).

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