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View Poll Results: Do you agree with Pete?
No. I think Federer's decline is a fact and he's not winning any major in the future. 39 17.57%
I kinda agree... He's in a great moment, but the other 2 guys are too good. No more slams for Feddy 45 20.27%
I totally agree. Fed's still playing great tennis and he'll probably win another major 105 47.30%
Hello. I'm Rod Laver and my records are intact. Suck it losers. 33 14.86%
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post #1021 of 1591 (permalink) Old 08-16-2012, 12:12 PM
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Re: The Federer Decline Thread (Federer will drop to number 4 next year)

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And some people still believe Djokovic's 2011 > Roger's 2006?! Go figure...
Nobody really thinks that, do they?

3 Slams + 1 final > 3 Slams + 1 semi-final

Masters Cup + 4 Masters + 2 Masters finals > 5 Masters + 1 Masters Final

12 Titles > 10 Titles

92-5 > 70-6

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Federer 2006 season > Djokovic 2011 season
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Well we asked 2 times already, whats with Safin avatars again lol ?
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Well we asked 2 times already, whats with Safin avatars again lol ?
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Have I missed something...? Why is everybody changing their avatars to that pic of Safin?
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But why? there must be some reason, i can say lets change all avatars to Rodick what gives?
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Overhyping ballerina as usual. Don't you remember the thrashing he took at RG just weeks before? If it wasn't for his cake draw and legendary luck -benneteau, anyone?- he would be number 3 now.
Wow, now that sounds bitter
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Some1 asked (I think if was duarte) a few days ago to mark or the other person using that marat pic, to change it cuz he was about to become crazy trying to figure out who said who, so now I think they decided to have that avatar too just to prove a point.

How silly is it right??

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Circumstantial - Fed is one lucky sob - lucked his way to 17 GSs - he should stop playing tennis and focus on the $320 million PowerBall lottery tonight.

Greatness is determined by how much you win - not the greats you defeat and in which fashion. Can't blame Fed that he won almost everything and left almost nothing for the others. No one has control over who makes it to the Finals on the other side of the draw - you play who's in front of you. And in case you haven't noticed, Fed almost always makes it to the later rounds of the GSs. Not easy to do - over 8 years and counting and don't tell me he hasn't been off, slightly injured, bad days in all those 8 years.

The "weak field" theory fails - unless today is also a weak field. Fed (at age 31) sits at #1 with Nole, Nadal and Murray in their prime years.

McEnroe goes from praising Nadal to Nole - bends over backward for whoever is the latest flavor of the month. Good that Fed stunned him into near speechlessness during the Wimby Finals.
very true , but djokotards are still bad for lose the nº1 against a 31 years old man.

the top-10 of this era it`s patetic , guys like melzer , ferrer or fish in the best moment of his careers with 30 years old , mugnaco in top-10 , even feliciano lopez made his best in this era.

look haas , old and with many injuries in his career.

semi-retired hewitt push nole to the limits ajajja
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I saw Prime Novak/ nadull/ Murray in action already no need to guess to much.
A players Prime is generally. 21-25 years old. Nadull since June 2007 and Novak and Murray since may 2008. In that time frame all of them lost to nobodies and members of Feds old era . Was past their Prime.
Anyone can lose to a mug every now and then. That has nothing to do with the weakness and lower skill level of the opponents Federer faced from 2003-2006. All the past greats lost a few times to mugs, but those are rarities, not the norm.

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And u want me to believe they would dominate any period of time in any era .
I didn't say in any era, I specifically stated 2003-2006, when Federer piled up most of his slams.


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Expected from Federer trolls. Tennis knowledge isn't their strong point.

Yup, anybody can make blanket statements. The difference is in the case of Federer winnning slams, it's obvious he beat much weaker opponents than Nadal/Djokovic.

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Safin/ haas/ Roddick/Melzer/Hewitt/kohlsriber/ferrer/rosol / wawrinka/Verdasco/ Soderling / Kendrick / Gonzalez all beat these players in their Primes and u with a straight face telling me they will dominate them in their Primes. Nole trolls what can u say . Started watching tennis since 2007.
They also beat Federer occasionally, it doesn't mean they would beat him most of the time or when he's playing his best in the slams.
The same applies to Novak & Nadal, who would beat the field of 2003-2006 most of the time especially in slams.

All I see are emoticons instead of people making valid arguments for Gonzalez/Roddick/Wawrinka/Soderling/Kolschreiber and others of Federer's weak era being better than Prime Nadal/Djokovic/Murray. That's all the proof I needed.


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Obviously not, as you continue your quest of claiming yellow as a darker color than red and that everyone else's colour perception is wrong. You obviously enjoy this. As for me, I have said what I have to say and you are - of course - unable to make a credible case against it. So our discussion ends here.
There was never a discussion, just you making immaterial comments about something that can't be denied: Prime Nadal/Djokovic/Murray are far better than the mugs Federer destroyed from 2003-2006.
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very true , but djokotards are still bad for lose the nº1 against a 31 years old man.

the top-10 of this era it`s patetic , guys like melzer , ferrer or fish in the best moment of his careers with 30 years old , mugnaco in top-10 , even feliciano lopez made his best in this era.

look haas , old and with many injuries in his career.

semi-retired hewitt push nole to the limits ajajja
You are retarded. Victor Troicki def Hewitt 6-2 6-0 He should have retired 7 years ago while he still didnt humiliating himself. Oh wait shoud be 8.

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Some1 asked (I think if was duarte) a few days ago to mark or the other person using that marat pic, to change it cuz he was about to become crazy trying to figure out who said who, so now I think they decided to have that avatar too just to prove a point.

How silly is it right??

The full story is
Mark Lenders had (originally) the Safin avatar.
one day (yesterday i think or today more likely today)
Looner decided to be with Safins avatar too
and then it happened
Shinoj asked Looner if looner can change his avatar back (to Fed i think i forgot already ) cause he is confused by that and he must watch their names to know who is who so ... it happened
Duarte_a changed his avatar too and then I changed it ... thats the legend

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Typical asinine posts by Greatness and Elister. Very, very bitter respond to theoretical shit with more theoretical shit and claim you're right. Sounds like religion.

One thing I have to definitely point out for the sake of the "trash field 2004-2007" theory, is Rafa, Novak and Andy didn't start their "peak" abilities until this "trash field era" was over, as in post-2007. Coincidence? Excuses? You tell me. Rafa had several losing H2H records from Federer's crappy era including Hewitt, Blake, and Youzhny. Strange that when those 3 players got older is when Rafatards claim he was finally a good player off clay.

Federer / Haas / Safin / Gaudio / Kuerten / Youzhny / Nadal / Gonzalez / Ljubicic / Hewitt / Soderling / Wawrinka / Coria / Nalbandian / Kohlschreiber

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The full story is
Mark Lenders had (originally) the Safin avatar.
one day (yesterday i think or today more likely today)
Looner decided to be with Safins avatar too
and then it happened
Shinoj asked Looner if looner can change his avatar back (to Fed i think i forgot already ) cause he is confused by that and he must watch their names to know who is who so ... it happened
Duarte_a changed his avatar too and then I changed it ... thats the legend


well my suspicions were not taht wrong, in the end.

Now it's crazy! Marat is back!
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Anyone can lose to a mug every now and then. That has nothing to do with the weakness and lower skill level of the opponents Federer faced from 2003-2006. All the past greats lost a few times to mugs, but those are rarities, not the norm.


I didn't say in any era, I specifically stated 2003-2006, when Federer piled up most of his slams.




Expected from Federer trolls. Tennis knowledge isn't their strong point.

Yup, anybody can make blanket statements. The difference is in the case of Federer winnning slams, it's obvious he beat much weaker opponents than Nadal/Djokovic.



They also beat Federer occasionally, it doesn't mean they would beat him most of the time or when he's playing his best in the slams.
The same applies to Novak & Nadal, who would beat the field of 2003-2006 most of the time especially in slams.

All I see are emoticons instead of people making valid arguments for Gonzalez/Roddick/Wawrinka/Soderling/Kolschreiber and others of Federer's weak era being better than Prime Nadal/Djokovic/Murray. That's all the proof I needed.




There was never a discussion, just you making immaterial comments about something that can't be denied: Prime Nadal/Djokovic/Murray are far better than the mugs Federer destroyed from 2003-2006.
Anyone can lose to mugs .true BUT not for federer in his Prime.
Now and then ?
As I said we could never know all we can go on facts that already Happen.
Murray lost to Verdasco/ferrer/ Gonazalez/Roddick/wawrinka/nadull.
So from Wimby 2008-12 that is 16 slams. He lost to Feds old rival 5 times,Feds Prime rival nadull like 5/6 times . So that's like 11 slams not counting federer himself.
So u are trying to tell me Murray playing Prime Nalbandian/ferrero/kuerten/ coria/Hewitt/Safin/Agassi etc.
It's fed n rivals who is stopping Murray not the current generation . I don't buy what u are selling.
Novak now and then ?
He lost to Safin/haas/Roddick/Kohlscriber/Melzer/ Nadull.
So out of 16 slams he lost to Feds old rivals 5 times and Feds prime rival nadull 2 times that makes 7 times . I didn't even include Birdshit who won a masters Paris in 2006 and beat fed in 2004. Include that and it would be 8 out of 16 excluding fed. He won like 4 slams in that time frame.
In short the current ERA who didnt play from2003-2006 hasn't restricted Novaks GS haul. It's the old guys in majority not " now and then"
The current era is weak . If old men can become # 1.
Nadull .
I can say his best year in terms of results is weak .
RG . He face Soderling . No GS and a member of Feds "weak era"
Wimby Berdych just one final.Just like bagydatis
Novak just 1 GS when he played USO 10.
That's just how it goes u play who is in front of u.
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still with the Fed 2006 v Nole 2011?

amazing

think of Fed in 2006, he went all year losing to only TWO men

his record 92-5

90-0 against the whole tour apart from Nad/Muzza!
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still with the Fed 2006 v Nole 2011?

amazing

think of Fed in 2006, he went all year losing to only TWO men

his record 92-5

90-0 against the whole tour apart from Nad/Muzza!
U can see the depth of the tour back then with this stat.

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