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View Poll Results: Do you agree with Pete?
No. I think Federer's decline is a fact and he's not winning any major in the future. 39 17.57%
I kinda agree... He's in a great moment, but the other 2 guys are too good. No more slams for Feddy 45 20.27%
I totally agree. Fed's still playing great tennis and he'll probably win another major 105 47.30%
Hello. I'm Rod Laver and my records are intact. Suck it losers. 33 14.86%
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post #421 of 1591 (permalink) Old 05-23-2012, 08:59 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Sampras: "I don't see any decline in Federer" Do you agree?

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Sampras says so and many other legends and also pundits, why should they be wrong?
legendas have their own agendas. hope this helps.

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Re: Sampras: "I don't see any decline in Federer" Do you agree?

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Sampras says so and many other legends and also pundits, why should they be wrong?
Because they themselves have never managed to cheat the aging process. They are wrong. Like I said, to cheat the aging process is a power only one has achieved, so unless Pete is that person he has no idea what he's talking about IF he was being dead serious at all and the jury's still out on that one

If you can confidently say that age will have nothing to do with Nole and Rafa losing matches when they are 31 years old then it would be fair to say the same about Roger. However most people are not willing to say Rafa and Nole and quite frankly all the top 100 players will maintain the same level of play, unhindered by age/ wear and tear for 10 years. Why is Roger being treated differently from all the players of his generation? Where are they now ?. It is testament to his greatness that he has managed to stay at the top for this long but to say that being a top 3 player is indicative of time, wear and tear having zero to do with his loses is stretching it a bit in my opinion.
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Re: Sampras: "I don't see any decline in Federer" Do you agree?

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Reaction speed isn't to do with thinking, it's when you move your racket to the BALL!
That's why he doesn't strike it flat as well as he used to be because he's a step slower when he tries to take the ball early.

That's nothing to do with the mind.
It's fun seeing people laughing at themselves.

"It's when you move your racket to the ball!!!".
Before your arm can move anywhere, you brain has to send signals to it first. All reactions involve thinking before the action takes place, which is why it's stupid to say Federer's reaction time is slower unless you want to argue that's he's retarded or can't think as fast as he used to.
Besides, Federer has been playing tennis for ages, his muscle memory must be incredible, which means less thinking about the motion and faster reactions.

You would have been better off arguing that Federer is more impatient due to his opponents fustrating him with their defense and that affects the timing of his shots; he wants to end the point too quickly and ends up mishitting the ball. That makes a lot more sense than your drivel about reaction speed.


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Tennis professionals who are PROMOTING THE SPORT, yeah.
Truth can be present in the promotion of any sport. Glad to see the past greats giving credit where it's due.
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Re: Sampras: "I don't see any decline in Federer" Do you agree?

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What are you saying man? you don't have a clue. Most wins happened when Nole was too young (ie. 18 years old) or off his game (2010). Nole has won against peak Roger and peak Rafa many times. Take the bandage off your eyes.
yes , he won , but in slams or finals???? very few in that years , only semi against monofed in 2008 , he could won some matches but in the big tournys , he always lost against roger or rafa.

nole was too young , off his game and more...excuses.

you say that , and other can say that federer is old and is not the same than in 2004-2007 or that nadal is not the same of 2008 or 2010.

you must to take the bandage off your eyes , you can`t say that federer in his peak years would be dominated in fast courts by nole , if in his 30 and in an more slow court like us open 2010 and 2011 federer had in all matchpoints
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legendas have their own agendas. hope this helps.
Why? explain it to me. Why do they need to do this? what do they gain?



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It's fun seeing people laughing at themselves.

"It's when you move your racket to the ball!!!".
Before your arm can move anywhere, you brain has to send signals to it first. All reactions involve thinking before the action takes place, which is why it's stupid to say Federer's reaction time is slower unless you want to argue that's he's retarded or can't think as fast as he used to.
Besides, Federer has been playing tennis for ages, his muscle memory must be incredible, which means less thinking about the motion and faster reactions.

You would have been better off arguing that Federer is more impatient due to his opponents fustrating him with their defense and that affects the timing of his shots; he wants to end the point too quickly and ends up mishitting the ball. That makes a lot more sense than your drivel about reaction speed.




Truth can be present in the promotion of any sport. Glad to see the past greats giving credit where it's due.
Exactly. Great post.



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It's fun seeing people laughing at themselves.

"It's when you move your racket to the ball!!!".
Before your arm can move anywhere, you brain has to send signals to it first. All reactions involve thinking before the action takes place, which is why it's stupid to say Federer's reaction time is slower unless you want to argue that's he's retarded or can't think as fast as he used to.
Besides, Federer has been playing tennis for ages, his muscle memory must be incredible, which means less thinking about the motion and faster reactions.
Just when you think you've seen and read it all on MTF a gem like this pops up to remind you really ain't seen nothing yet Who knew the older one gets the faster they become due to muscle memory Damn, if only all those retired clowns realised this simple truth
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Exactly. Great post.
It's a great post because it supports your beliefs, I guess.

"Simple reaction time shortens from infancy into the late 20s, then increases slowly until the 50s and 60s, and then lengthens faster as the person gets into his 70s and beyond"

"A University of Michigan study suggests that, as we age, our brain connections break down, slowing up our physical response times."

http://biae.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/lab/110/reaction.htm#Age
http://psychcentral.com/news/2010/09...ime/18031.html

Reaction time does slow with age. Whether that's an issue with Federer is another question. Still, it might be worth asking why tennis players generally retire at around 30, if they're just as able as they used to be.
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Re: Sampras: "I don't see any decline in Federer" Do you agree?

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It's fun seeing people laughing at themselves.

"It's when you move your racket to the ball!!!".
Before your arm can move anywhere, you brain has to send signals to it first. All reactions involve thinking before the action takes place, which is why it's stupid to say Federer's reaction time is slower unless you want to argue that's he's retarded or can't think as fast as he used to.
Besides, Federer has been playing tennis for ages, his muscle memory must be incredible, which means less thinking about the motion and faster reactions.

You would have been better off arguing that Federer is more impatient due to his opponents fustrating him with their defense and that affects the timing of his shots; he wants to end the point too quickly and ends up mishitting the ball. That makes a lot more sense than your drivel about reaction speed.

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What a piece of utter garbage. (Insert Clay Death's comment about taking this outside and whatnot)

If I'm 20 and I try to run, chances are I'll be faster than when I am 30 or 40. That's got fuck all to do with what my brain's telling me to do, it's to do with the freaking body not being as athletic and because it has wore down with age.

Brain? Behave. Noletards liking your comments make no difference either, they're just tards aligning no matter how much crap one of them spouts.

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Re: Sampras: "I don't see any decline in Federer" Do you agree?

When Nole is losing matches at 31 most of his fans will probably refuse to believe he is being beaten at his peak (i.e. same level as 2011). Sad that the same curtsey can't be extended to the current old man of tennis.

All those years Federer was beating Agassi no sane Federer fan was was oblivious to the impact age had on Agassi's game. I can't recall anyone claiming Federer was beating Agassi at his prime . It didn't matter. Roger didn't have to beat a peak Agassi in order to create his own legendary story. No one is saying Roger is not a GOAT because he was beating an old Agassi

Also why is it that the most vociferous defenders of the notion of Federer still being at his peak...an eternal peak... are not even his fans Something smells fishy.
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Re: Sampras: "I don't see any decline in Federer" Do you agree?

There's no Fed fan who claims he's at his peak, because most of us have seen him dominate with lighting footwork whilst Noletards started watching the old man in 2010, latest 2011 .


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Re: Sampras: "I don't see any decline in Federer" Do you agree?

The claim rejects the physical reality of sport.

With age the body recovers slower, reactions and parts of the body such as the back suffer more problems.

All top players in the history of tennis have declined with age, so obviously applies to Federer as well.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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Re: Sampras: "I don't see any decline in Federer" Do you agree?

daddyerer must be tired when djokovic and nadal play davis cup and never have to worry about their olympic eligibility. fed reads rules, after all, right?

fed even complained about the exhausting us open semifinal. poor guy was scared of the cold weather and "painful injury" before he played the australian open.

it's no one's fault that fed has worse anticipation on the court than djoker and nadal.
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somebody tell sampy to apply for a wild card at wimbledon.

otherwise he can shut the fuck up and take a hike.
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Re: Sampras: "I don't see any decline in Federer" Do you agree?

Missing option,

Hes doing great atm, and he could win another slam or 2.
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