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View Poll Results: Do you agree with Pete?
No. I think Federer's decline is a fact and he's not winning any major in the future. 39 17.57%
I kinda agree... He's in a great moment, but the other 2 guys are too good. No more slams for Feddy 45 20.27%
I totally agree. Fed's still playing great tennis and he'll probably win another major 105 47.30%
Hello. I'm Rod Laver and my records are intact. Suck it losers. 33 14.86%
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post #181 of 1591 (permalink) Old 06-07-2009, 03:45 PM
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Re: Perspective on the "Federer decline"

What a fantastic decline.
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Re: Perspective on the "Federer decline"

Federer is finished

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5 years since the start of the decline...how much Fed's game has changed since?

Some tennis specialists recorded 2007 IW-Miami (Canas losses) as the beginning of the end of Fed's prime. 5 years have passed since. And 6 slams. Fed is still declining, obviously. He is stubborn enough to stay arround and keep on declining, annoying the haters more with each year that passed...

But let's try to analyze a bit what changed in his game since the spring of 2007. What's different, what's worse, what has improved, if anything...Where do you think the trend in his game goes to?





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ROGER FEDERER: No, Roger Federer doesn't pull out. Otherwise he doesn't walk on court (smiling).


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Re: 5 years since the start of the decline...how much Fed's game has changed since?

- Forehand is less aggressive. Lacks the explosiveness he had in his prime.
- "Miracle" shots have become less common. Back in the day he had a few a set, now its like 1 or 2 a match.
- Backhand is pretty similar, arguably better IMO.
- Movement is definitely worse. He still looks like he glides but he doesn't get in position for his shots as fast as he used to.
- Serve not as clutch.
- Mental decline. Pretty natural decline too, as he lost some of his ability the supreme confidence he once had is no longer as prevalent.

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Re: 5 years since the start of the decline...how much Fed's game has changed since?

Serve is the only thing keeping him on top. The ability to win service games
quickly against scrubs means he can win initial rounds easily unlike the othet guys
who have to work for points. His serve is sick for 185 cm guy, it.s no surprise
Nadal picked it as his most wanted weapon from Olderer's arsenal.
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Re: 5 years since the start of the decline...how much Fed's game has changed since?

I pretty much agree with leng jai:

- Less consistent, less aggressive forehand. Specifically being able to run around the forehand and take it "inside-in" down the line. It seems a bit less flat and more spin than before.
- Backhand is more consistent, perhaps slightly less aggressive though. TMC vs. Blake in '06 as an example.
- Movement has declined significantly, reaching for a lot more shots now, especially when stretched wide to the forehand side
- Unable to hit passing shots as consistently from either wing. These days his passing shots are mostly hitting it high and at at the opponent hoping for a weak volley, as opposed to actually passing them
- Serve has declined, less consistent power, 2nd serve not nearly as dangerous as before either

All of what I've said makes it seem as if he's declined significantly, but he hasn't, it's just those little things that make a difference at the highest level. It should be noted though that he's certainly playing at a higher level now than he was in 2010, so he's actually getting better compared to then.
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Re: 5 years since the start of the decline...how much Fed's game has changed since?

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I pretty much agree with leng jai:

- Less consistent, less aggressive forehand. Specifically being able to run around the forehand and take it "inside-in" down the line. It seems a bit less flat and more spin than before.
- Backhand is more consistent, perhaps slightly less aggressive though. TMC vs. Blake in '06 as an example.
- Movement has declined significantly, reaching for a lot more shots now, especially when stretched wide to the forehand side
- Unable to hit passing shots as consistently from either wing. These days his passing shots are mostly hitting it high and at at the opponent hoping for a weak volley, as opposed to actually passing them
- Serve has declined, less consistent power, 2nd serve not nearly as dangerous as before either

All of what I've said makes it seem as if he's declined significantly, but he hasn't, it's just those little things that make a difference at the highest level.
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Re: 5 years since the start of the decline...how much Fed's game has changed since?

Obviously, he has much more experience and knowledge of the game and his body, which is a great +. That's a continuing process. With 16 slams he is confident and has nothing to prove, which is also a huge boost in itself. He is visibly slower and relies more on serve. His variety is still there, though. Believes he is good enough still doesn't need to apply some major changes. On the other hand, it seems he has been spending more time in gym lately, looks a tiny bit sharper than in 2010-11. His BH always looks great but it always has been a liability, now there are more guys ready to exploit it. Maybe he is not as hungry as he once was, I am not sure but it certainly could be a factor. Still too early to think about retiring, definitely. The trend however is one way street... with some minor adjustments here and there, we can't expect that he will be better in the future than he is/was.
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Re: 5 years since the start of the decline...how much Fed's game has changed since?

Hilarious shit here. Even though he lost to Canas there in IW 2007, I felt he played 100x better than when he beat Murray last week in Dubai final.

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Re: 5 years since the start of the decline...how much Fed's game has changed since?

i think the footwork isn't what it used to be. than in turn makes him miss more shots on both wings.

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I pretty much agree with leng jai:

- Less consistent, less aggressive forehand. Specifically being able to run around the forehand and take it "inside-in" down the line. It seems a bit less flat and more spin than before.
- Backhand is more consistent, perhaps slightly less aggressive though. TMC vs. Blake in '06 as an example.
- Movement has declined significantly, reaching for a lot more shots now, especially when stretched wide to the forehand side
- Unable to hit passing shots as consistently from either wing. These days his passing shots are mostly hitting it high and at at the opponent hoping for a weak volley, as opposed to actually passing them
- Serve has declined, less consistent power, 2nd serve not nearly as dangerous as before either

All of what I've said makes it seem as if he's declined significantly, but he hasn't, it's just those little things that make a difference at the highest level. It should be noted though that he's certainly playing at a higher level now than he was in 2010, so he's actually getting better compared to then.
Serve is actually not that different to me. He just doesn't seem to hit aces/unplayables on crucial points as often these days. His backhand in that 06 TMC match was by far the best hes ever hit it and pretty much a once off fluke.

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Re: 5 years since the start of the decline...how much Fed's game has changed since?

all in all, roger's decline hasn't been totally "continual" (so to speak). in AO 2010 he played amazingly well, almost like in his best years.

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Re: 5 years since the start of the decline...how much Fed's game has changed since?

First of all his decline is visible, but he is not declining, he declined, but sometimes he is incrasing his level and than he again is declining. It´s not like he is worse and worse every year.

About his game, pretty much confidence-mental and movement are of course worse, with goes with age and number of matches he played. Because of that his FH is not anymore best FH on the tour.

Actually i think his serve is his most dominant shot, that´s why he is able to be so good during those indoor part of the year-toghether with fact he is rested and indoor conditions favour guy like him, but his serve i think is only aspec of his game wich didn´t decline, contrary i think he is serving better than before - at his peak. 2009 Wimbledon or 2010-11 indoors his serve played major role, don´t metioning RG 2011 with lighter balls where his serve was seen again at his top. I think since his decline started he is now much more in ,,serverer mode,, than during his prime years.
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Re: 5 years since the start of the decline...how much Fed's game has changed since?

Biggest thing for me is his defensive forehand. He used to get it back with some serious pace on it when stretched out.

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Biggest thing for me is his defensive forehand. He used to get it back with some serious pace on it when stretched out.
This comes down to his decline in movement. These days he'll get there late and be forced to hit a forehand slice or an out of position topspin shot. Earlier in his prime he would be able to get there in time to in most cases hit at least a neutral topspin forehand.

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