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tsonga will have 250 points and be number 14 on monday.
Yep, you're too quick for me mate. Although he'll be #15...Djokovic closed the gap on Federer to just 22pts...there's a good chance that the battle for #2 goes into Shanghai.

In taking the Beijing title, Roddick managed to move clear of Ferrer at #6, although he languishes a fair distance (65pts) behind Davydenko, at #5. And an honourable mention to Dudi Sela for his fine (and unexpected) run this week, catapulting him from #112 to #87, with a new total of 56pts.
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Hopefully Roddick can get himself up to #5 by the end of the year.

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Hopefully Roddick can get himself up to #5 by the end of the year.

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3. Djokovic
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5. Roddick
6. Davydenko (wish it was someone else, but Davy's got mad points)
7. Blake
8. Del Potro
It's a real long shot, but I'd rather see Tsonga right now than DP or especially Blake. An ideal lineup within reason would include DP and Tsonga at #7 and #8.

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It's a real long shot, but I'd rather see Tsonga right now than DP or especially Blake. An ideal lineup within reason would include DP and Tsonga at #7 and #8.
I like Tsonga too, but he only has flashes of brilliance mixed with long periods of injury.

Blake has been solid all year

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I am confused, before Beijing, Roddick had 329, and he won so he gained 35 points, 329+35 is 364 not 352, right? or not?
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I like Tsonga too, but he only has flashes of brilliance mixed with long periods of injury.

Blake has been solid all year
Blake has had a lot of early exits this year, but If I pick the more consistent of the two, Blake deserves the spot. That said, as long as Tsonga is healthy and has some time to prepare (which will be the case if he makes it), I think he's more fun to watch and a far greater threat to the top guys. In '08, Blake is 1-4 against the top four (and 0-2 w/ Gonzalez and Wawrinka, two other potential qualifiers). I think Tsonga is 3-2 and has wins over Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray.

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I am confused, before Beijing, Roddick had 329, and he won so he gained 35 points, 329+35 is 364 not 352, right? or not?
Players can count only so many tournaments towards their total race points. Roddick had already filled the limited number of tournaments one can count when he came to Beijing at 324. In winning Beijing and adding those 35 points, he had to drop one of his other tournaments as he was already "full." He drops his lowest score: Memphis QF, worth 12 points. Thus 352 as opposed to 364.

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Blake has had a lot of early exits this year, but If I pick the more consistent of the two, Blake deserves the spot. That said, as long as Tsonga is healthy and has some time to prepare (which will be the case if he makes it), I think he's more fun to watch and a far greater threat to the top guys. In '08, Blake is 1-4 against the top four (and 0-2 w/ Gonzalez and Wawrinka, two other potential qualifiers). I think Tsonga is 3-2 and has wins over Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray.
Oh I agree completely. It was the same shit last year when Dave did absolutely nothing all year and then sweeps the indoor season and everyone on MTF wanted to change the rules and shit just because he'd be a bigger draw and a bigger threat to the other guys.

I'm not implying at all that that is what your stance is, but rest assured if Tsonga ends up at #9 and Blake and JMDP are 7 and 8 right after Bercy, expect something similar

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Players can count only so many tournaments towards their total race points. Roddick had already filled the limited number of tournaments one can count when he came to Beijing at 324. In winning Beijing and adding those 35 points, he had to drop one of his other tournaments as he was already "full." He drops his lowest score: Memphis QF, worth 12 points. Thus 352 as opposed to 364.[/QUOTE]

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29th September - 5th October 2008.

(1/5 weeks to the end of the regular season).


This week: Metz (35pts) and Tokyo (50pts).


Profiling the players with at least an outside shot of a Shanghai place (bar = 100pts from #8):

(+131) Nikolay Davydenko (RUS): not playing
(+66) Andy Roddick (USA): TOKYO - needs SF to make any points gain (+2, to max. +30)
(+51) David Ferrer (ESP): TOKYO - needs SF to make any points gain (+7, to max. +35)
(+23) James Blake (USA): not playing
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(-23) Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI): not playing
(-37) Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG): TOKYO - could score full 50pts on offer
(-38) Fernando Gonzalez (CHI): TOKYO - needs R3 to make any points gain (+1, to max. +46)
(-48) Gilles Simon (FRA): METZ - needs SF to make any points gain (+5, to max. +25)
(-56) Fernando Verdasco (ESP): not playing
(-56) Nicolas Almagro (ESP): METZ - needs SF to make any points gain (+7, to max. +27)
(-59) Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA): TOKYO - could score full 50pts on offer
(-70) Igor Andreev (RUS): not playing
(-83) Mardy Fish (USA): not playing
(-84) Tommy Robredo (ESP): TOKYO - needs QF to make any points gain (+4, to max. +42)

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As you can see from that, most of the guys in real contention need to have a very good run this week, while Del Potro (5th title is very possible) and Tsonga, in particular, are guys to keep a very close eye on...
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so you basically saying simon and almagro are screwed the only way they make the tennis master cup, if they go deep in madrid and paris.
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so you basically saying simon and almagro are screwed the only way they make the tennis master cup, if they go deep in madrid and paris.
Unless they make it to title matches in at least one of their remaining optionals, they will have it all to do in Madrid and Paris, yes.

On this basis, really I think you can largely forget about players other than Wawrinka (purely because he is close at the moment...otherwise, no), Del Potro, Gonzalez and Tsonga offering up a stern challenge to the current #5-8 ranked players. Interestly, though, Nalbandian was 171pts off the pace at this stage, last year (and of course so nearly made Shanghai, in the end), so, for him, especially, the current gap of 114pts isn't impossible to make up (although still unlikely).
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I have just had a look all the entry lists a Tsonga's down to play every week from now until the end of the season. I quite fancy his chances of making Shanghai.
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I have just had a look all the entry lists a Tsonga's down to play every week from now until the end of the season. I quite fancy his chances of making Shanghai.
Great he is hungry I hope it won't finish with another injury after Paris-Bercy. He needs to say healthy to defend many points in Melbourne next year.

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What players must do to qualify for Shanghai

http://www.tennis.com/features/gener...aspx?id=147446

The mountaintop of men's tennis is a little more crowded than it's been in the past few years. The perennial Big Two of Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal morphed into the Big Three with the ascendancy of Novak Djokovic at the beginning of the season. Then along came Andy Murray this summer and produced a Big Four.

Having captured all but one of the Grand Slams and Masters Series events of this season so far, this quartet has already secured spots for the season-ending Masters Cup.

That leaves four places for the remainder of the field, and a large group of players are still in contention for those slots -- after all, the recent dominance of the Big Four means there's a relatively low bar for those aspiring to be the best of the rest.

Nikolay Davydenko is the only other player who can be penciled in as almost certain to qualify, meaning that the other three berths are entirely up for grabs during the five tournament weeks that remain before Shanghai:



The likes of Andy Roddick, James Blake and recent breakout Juan Martin del Potro will be in the hunt, while a potential powerhouse like Jo-Wilfried Tsonga must do a lot of catching up first.

The ATP Champions Race measures where the players stand in the pack – here's a look at their current positions, as well as a summary of their chances:


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