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Wimbledon seeding is out

BBC only has the top 5 at the moment:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/3811843.stm

1. Federer
2. Roddick
3. Coria
4. Nalbandian
5. Henman
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Re: Wimbledon seeding is out

Coria on 3?
I always thought that Wimbledon is special and that they don't go by the rankings or what was it?
and now they have Coria on 3? what a joke LOL

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They go by a formula (but we don't know what that is yet). It would be very difficult to promote Nalbandian (or anyone else) above Coria, because there is such a big gap in the points between them.
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The seeded players on the wimby site now says TODAY's date so my guess is the whole list will be up soon.

henman 5th though.... ugh.

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They go by a formula (but we don't know what that is yet). It would be very difficult to promote Nalbandian (or anyone else) above Coria, because there is such a big gap in the points between them.
Isn't the formula the same formula announced a couple of years ago? You and I seem to have a different understanding about the immutability of this formula.

When you applied that formula, this is the way the seedings turned out. So, I'm not surprised.
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Isn't the formula the same formula announced a couple of years ago? You and I seem to have a different understanding about the immutability of this formula.

When you applied that formula, this is the way the seedings turned out. So, I'm not surprised.

wimbledon have the power to change the formula every year
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Nalbadian has 2625 ranking points. Using Wimbledon formula, add the grass ranking points earned from Nalbadian last year (150 from Wimbledon 4R) and 75% of his best grass result ever (525 from 2002 Wimbledon final). It gives Nalbadian 3300 ranking points.

Coria has 3740 ranking points. Even without aditional grass ranking points from the formula, Coria is ahead
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Of course, they have the power to do it. I have never disputed that.

However, I believe they made an agreement to use a precise formula. If they change the formula, they are breaking that agreement. That is my only point.

Wimbledon has the power to sack the formula and seed entirely by whim.
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Isn't the formula the same formula announced a couple of years ago? You and I seem to have a different understanding about the immutability of this formula.

When you applied that formula, this is the way the seedings turned out. So, I'm not surprised.
star from what I've read I believe they can change the formula; however, I may be wrong, and at the moment I can't find any doc which substantiates either position

Edit: I thought the agreement was to use a formula that gives a grass-weighting, not to use a specific formula.

But no, I'm not really surprised at the seedings so far.

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also from the BBC article about lleyton and Flip

The 2002 champion, ranked 10th, is the seventh seed while fellow Australian Mark Philippoussis is lifted eight places to 11th after reaching the final last year.

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However, I believe they made an agreement to use a precise formula. If they change the formula, they are breaking that agreement. That is my only point.
the agreement was to use a formula rather then giving out seeds at random like they used to

they never agreed to use the same rules every year and they used a changed formula last year when henmans ranking was poor as they made best ever result worth more in the formula
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Again, I would like the person who tried to make me feel dumb in saying that Coria won't be getting the #3 seed to show your face

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Here, got this from Reuters

1. Roger Federer (Switzerland)
2. Andy Roddick (U.S.)
3. Guillermo Coria (Argentina)
4. David Nalbandian (Argentina)
5. Tim Henman (Britain)
6. Juan Carlos Ferrero (Spain)
7. Lleyton Hewitt (Australia)
8. Rainer Schuettler (Germany)
9. Carlos Moya (Spain)
10. Sebastien Grosjean (France)
11. Mark Philippoussis (Australia)
12. Sjeng Schalken (Netherlands)
13. Paradorn Srichaphan (Thailand)
14. Mardy Fish (U.S.)
15. Nicolas Massu (Chile)
16. Jiri Novak (Czech Republic)
17. Jonas Bjorkman (Sweden)
18. Feliciano Lopez (Spain)
19. Marat Safin (Russia)
20. Tommy Rebredo (Spain)
21. Juan Ignacio Chela (Argentina)
22. Andrei Pavel (Romania)
23. Max Mirnyi (Belarus)
24. Fernando Gonzalez (Chile)
25. Dominik Hrbaty (Slovakia)
26. Taylor Dent (U.S.)
27. Robby Ginepri (U.S.)
28. Ivan Ljubicic (Croatia)
29. Nicolas Kiefer (Germany)
30. Vincent Spadea (U.S.)
31. Mikhail Youzhny (Russia)
32. Hicham Arazi (Morocco)

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Thanks bunk! Pretty much as expected then. Can't see any major issues with that.
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now the seedings make sense

the dirty poms, cheating donkeys.

the seeding is set up the way it is because the #5 seed cant meet the #7 seed until the semis, avoiding hewitt wont help henman as roddick is taking out henman anyway in his own backyard.
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