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Hatred of Novak/Rafael/Marat

I understand that Novak's family has drawn a lot of ire, especially his father's behavior in the stands and his mother's comments in pressers. However, this post has to do with the question of, how much of the current hatred towards Novak is derived from truly objective reasons and how much has to do with the challenge to Roger? When Marat Safin defeated Roger in the AO, was there this degree of dislike of him, or was it very different? Similarly, when Rafael established himself as a contender with Roger, was there a barrage of insults about Rafael, or was this also different?

I'm just trying to clarify to what degree the overwhelming hostility against Novak is due to his family's admittedly disgraceful behavior, and what part is due to his challenge to Roger/Rafael.
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Re: Hatred of Novak/Rafael/Marat

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I understand that Novak's family has drawn a lot of ire, especially his father's behavior in the stands and his mother's comments in pressers. However, this post has to do with the question of, how much of the current hatred towards Novak is derived from truly objective reasons and how much has to do with the challenge to Roger? When Marat Safin defeated Roger in the AO, was there this degree of dislike of him, or was it very different? Similarly, when Rafael established himself as a contender with Roger, was there a barrage of insults about Rafael, or was this also different?

I'm just trying to clarify to what degree the overwhelming hostility against Novak is due to his family's admittedly disgraceful behavior, and what part is due to his challenge to Roger/Rafael.

Nah there wasn't the same hatred. Especially not with Marat because he was a champion before Roger even was.. you know? So it's not like he was really a challenger.. plus on MTF, Marat can never do any wrong

I think a lot of the hate is his behavior/his parents behavior. He's had haters on here since the Monfils match in 2005.

Rafa and Roger have a mutual respect for each other that neither has with Novak also.. so that contributes to it too.

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Re: Hatred of Novak/Rafael/Marat

Safin isn't hated at all here. He is loved

There was a most definite turn around in the forum's general feeling for Rafa after he won RG in '05 and the 2006 clay season really compounded it.

Rafa and Roddick draw the most hatred, and Nole is coming up fast behind.
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Nah there wasn't the same hatred. Especially not with Marat because he was a champion before Roger even was.. you know? So it's not like he was really a challenger.. plus on MTF, Marat can never do any wrong

I think a lot of the hate is his behavior/his parents behavior. He's had haters on here since the Monfils match in 2005.

Rafa and Roger have a mutual respect for each other that neither has with Novak also.. so that contributes to it too.
Safin is not a prick Like Djokovic ,that is the reason why he was not very much hated
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Re: Hatred of Novak/Rafael/Marat

I don't think Safin was hated when he won AO. A lot of MTFers were happy for him. Nadal did receive a lot heat for beating Roger and for his unorthodox game style. Djokovic is hated because of his family and his antics plain and simple. If he beat Roger but wasn't arrogant and his family was cool then I would be meh.

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Safin def. Djokovic 6-4, 7-6, 6-2
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Safin is not a prick Like Djokovic ,that is the reason why he was not very much hated
That's certainly debatable. I haven't seen Novak break a chair yet during a match

But that sort of thing is excused when it's Marat

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That's certainly debatable. I haven't seen Novak break a chair yet during a match
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That's certainly debatable. I haven't seen Novak break a chair yet during a match

But that sort of thing is excused when it's Marat
You don't get it do you? Safin's antics are only directed towards himself.

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Safin isn't hated at all here. He is loved

There was a most definite turn around in the forum's general feeling for Rafa after he won RG in '05 and the 2006 clay season really compounded it.

Rafa and Roddick draw the most hatred, and Nole is coming up fast behind.
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Re: Hatred of Novak/Rafael/Marat

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I understand that Novak's family has drawn a lot of ire, especially his father's behavior in the stands and his mother's comments in pressers. However, this post has to do with the question of, how much of the current hatred towards Novak is derived from truly objective reasons and how much has to do with the challenge to Roger? When Marat Safin defeated Roger in the AO, was there this degree of dislike of him, or was it very different? Similarly, when Rafael established himself as a contender with Roger, was there a barrage of insults about Rafael, or was this also different?

I'm just trying to clarify to what degree the overwhelming hostility against Novak is due to his family's admittedly disgraceful behavior, and what part is due to his challenge to Roger/Rafael.
Not the same toward Marat. The same when Rafael challenged Roger.

"admittedly disgraceful"?? Who admitted it?

But anyway, this just appears to be an outlet for people to justify their dislike of Djokovic. Have fun -- or I guess a lot of people already did.
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To be fair, Roddick might act like an asshole sometimes but his family was never involved like Djoko is. When he won the USO, his mother did not say ''Hail the new king. He will win infinity slams.''

Wimbledon Upsets:
Safin def. Djokovic 6-4, 7-6, 6-2
Schuettler def. Blake 6-3, 6-7, 4-6, 6-4, 6-4
Kudryavtseva def. Sharapova 6-2, 6-4
Tipsarevic def. Roddick 6-7, 7-5, 6-4, 7-6
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Spitting at the crowd, excessive ball bouncing, whining, big mouth mother...
I said originally I thought the hatred was brought on by his actions and his parents actions.

I'm just saying the unpopular opinion on MTF that I don't think Safin is exactly an either, that's all. I'm certainly not trying to say that Novak IS.

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I said originally I thought the hatred was brought on by his actions and his parents actions.

I'm just saying the unpopular opinion on MTF that I don't think Safin is exactly an either, that's all. I'm certainly not trying to say that Novak IS.
Nobody thinks Safin's an angel. That's one of the reasons people love him the way they do.

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I understand that Novak's family has drawn a lot of ire, especially his father's behavior in the stands and his mother's comments in pressers. However, this post has to do with the question of, how much of the current hatred towards Novak is derived from truly objective reasons and how much has to do with the challenge to Roger? When Marat Safin defeated Roger in the AO, was there this degree of dislike of him, or was it very different? Similarly, when Rafael established himself as a contender with Roger, was there a barrage of insults about Rafael, or was this also different?

I'm just trying to clarify to what degree the overwhelming hostility against Novak is due to his family's admittedly disgraceful behavior, and what part is due to his challenge to Roger/Rafael.
The main rule on MTF is the more successful you are the more hate you get. But a player who is successful also attracts much more people who write about him and feel the need to defend him.

MTF always collapses when Roger loses a match or Rafa gets a beatdown.

I'm pretty sure everything will calm down in a few days. No need to worry.
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Spitting at the crowd, excessive ball bouncing, whining, big mouth mother...
He was not spitting at the crowd. The curse he said made it look that way, I assure you.
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