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BBC Article: Wimbledon divides opinion

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Wimbledon divides opinion

Wimbledon officials argue that grass is unlike any other surface
The seeding system and the fast surface is not the only thing about Wimbledon that annoys some of the top tennis players.

It was Spaniard Manolo Santana who coined the phrase "grass is for cows" in the 1960s.

Since then, generations of players more used to playing on clay have made a point of criticising the surface, Wimbledon itself and anything else that gets on their nerves about England.

Whenever Czech Ivan Lendl, for example, turned up in England in June he repeated Santana's famous phrase, often complaining that he hated the softness under his feet.

But at least Lendl gave it his best, appearing 14 times and reaching the final twice.

Alberto Berasategui, by comparison, a Spaniard who reached seven in the world and the final of the French Open in 1994, never played there at all.

In 2001, then world number one Gustavo Kuerten got in on the act.

He felt there was not enough time between the French Open and Wimbledon for him to recover from a gruelling clay-court season.

However some felt his real reason was a reaction to Wimbledon's seedings policy.

Wimbledon officials argue that grass is unlike any other surface and that to seed, for example, Kuerten above Pete Sampras, which would have happened if the ATP system was followed, would be ridiculous.

Albert Costa and Alex Corretja have all previously refused to play for that reason.

Cynics might point to their poor records at the venue, none of them having ever got beyond the second round.

But it is not just the grass that winds up some people.

Andrei Medvedev made this blunt assessment of the All England Club:

"It's a snobbish English club with their own rules and their own traditions. People treat you bad there. There is practically no motivation to play Wimbledon," he moaned.

Agassi had no time for tradition during his wild years
The club issued a conciliatory statement, hoping that Medvedev would approve of new facilities, which he later did.

In 1999, Jim Courier was not happy when he was taken to hospital in a car when suffering from cramp and exhaustion.

He said the facilities were the worst at any Grand Slam. Pity he had retired by the time the new treatment rooms were opened in 2000.

Wimbledon is the last of the major tournaments to still insist that players wear predominantly white clothing.

The rule was one of the reasons Andre Agassi stayed away between 1988 and 1990, when he had a penchant for lurid fluorescent tennis gear.

Jimmy Connors, needless to say, never had much time for the traditions of Wimbledon and steered clear of a parade of former champions in 1977.

With some people, there is bound to have been an element of sour grapes.

Sampras, unsurprisingly, has a different view.

"I wouldn't change a single thing about it," he said.

Sidenote: A great Agassi mullet.
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I wonder what was the point of the article: the fact that it devides opinion?

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Well not everyone worships the whole Wimbledon tradition and their seeding system.
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I wonder what was the point of the article: the fact that it devides opinion?
No, I think it was about Albanian farmers.
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Thanks for the article PerezRoldan, and I have to say that although I'm English I agree totally with all the negative things that some of the players have said about it. It is certainly not a favourite tournament of mine.

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No, I think it was about Albanian farmers.
Albanian or Moldovan farmers? The thing is with Vass if it doesn't include Safin, then there is no point to it.
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Thanks for the article PerezRoldan, and I have to say that although I'm English I agree totally with all the negative things that some of the players have said about it. It is certainly not a favourite tournament of mine.
The seeding controversy and the other stuff as well didn't surprise me, good to see Medvedev state the obvious.
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It wouldn't be a bad idea if they shortened the indoor or the hardcourt season, and if they extended the grasscourt season, then there would be more incentive to improve on grass.

Then again when people and the event bills itself as the Championships at the expense of the other Slams that shows a snobby and a condescending attitude towards them.

Personally I can't wait for Wimbledon to be over.

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It wouldn't be a bad idea if they shortened the indoor or the hardcourt season, and if they extended the grasscourt season, then there would be more incentive to improve on grass.

Then again when people and the event bills itself as the Championships at the expense of the other Slams that shows a snobby and a condescending attitude towards them.

Personally I can't wait for Wimbledon to be over.
As ever - I agree with you 100% GWH . So can you imagine how much worse it is to live in England and be surrounded by it all the time at this time of year? All my work colleagues, who know nothing abut tennis and think the tennis season is only 2 weeks long(!), are suddenly trying to be knowledgable and talk about Henman's chances of winning And they really can't understand why I travel to so many tournaments and probably won't even go near the "Championships". Luckily good old Euro 2004 has taken their attention quite a bit this year though - so

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Well not everyone worships the whole Wimbledon tradition and their seeding system.
i don't
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i don't
Nor me - bring back the red clay I say - and let the players wear anything but white!!!!

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i don't
Good Alan that makes 4 of us, plus some others as well. It just reminds me of fuddy-duddys with great colonial moustaches, who are probably into fox hunting and some other stuff which I won't mention here, with their double-barelled chested names and their public school snobbery.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Nor me - bring back the red clay I say - and let the players wear anything but white!!!!
I was too busy too enjoy the claycourt season and miss it already

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Good Alan that makes 4 of us, plus some others as well. It just reminds me of fuddy-duddys with great colonial moustaches, who are probably into fox hunting and some other stuff which I won't mention here, with their double-barelled chested names and their public school snobbery.
Of course it's even more worrying when the women have the colonial moustaches

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I was too busy too enjoy the claycourt season and miss it already
I made time to enjoy the claycourt season, that's why I am needing to do the work now and get over and done with by next week.

Bring on Båstad and Kitzbhuel these are the best events coming up.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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