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Murray Just Needs To Win St.Petersberg To Be #8 In Race

Now that Robredo and Haas are out of their respective tournaments this week and James Blake, Richard Gasquet and Tomas Berdych needing to make at least the QF stage to accumulate aymore Race points it now looks increasingly likely that Murray will qualify 8th for Shanghai.

Murray's 5th best is only 5 points so by winning St.Petersberg (considering his draw and recent Madrid form will be more than likely) his Race points will go up to 329. Fortunately he should be seeded in Paris and if he makes a good run there, while other faulter early, he could very well be heading over to Shanghai after Paris.

BTW, Has any player ever qualified for the T.M.C. despite missing two Grand Slams?

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My dream:

Gonzalez magically loses to Haehnel in Basel and very early in Paris (pushing it).
Blake loses to karlovic in Basel, early in Paris (not pushing it)
Berdych loses to Lopez in Basel, early in Paris (not pushing it)
Ljubicic loses to Querrey in Lyon, early in Paris (maybe pushing it)
Robredo/Haas lose early in Paris (not pushing it too bad)
Gasquet wins Lyon, Murray wins St. Petersburg (not pushing it too bad)
Gasquet reaches Semis in Paris, Murray reaches Final (pushing it)

Gasquet and Murray qualify!

Overall, really really pushing it.

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Lets hope he does it... Tursunov, Youz or Ancic and then his good friend Davydenko in the final, might be the big games he has to pass.
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Re: Murray Just Needs To Win St.Petersberg To Be #8 In Race

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BTW, Has any player ever qualified for the T.M.C. despite missing two Grand Slams?
Sure, Sampy in 99 missed AO and US open... and lost in 2nR of RG as well
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Re: Murray Just Needs To Win St.Petersberg To Be #8 In Race

So who do we need to lose this week?

This is a complete guess so don't take my word for it:
Chela, Canas have many points to gain but won't do well in Paris. Chela won't pass QFs in Basel.
Ljubicic and Moya sometime before semi-finals or finals
Berdych before semi-finals
Gasquet before semi-finals
Youzhny before semi-finals
Blake before finals

All theoretically possible and quite likely to happen, but not only will Murray need to win St. Petersburg, he will have to outperform all of the contenders in Paris.

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Re: Murray Just Needs To Win St.Petersberg To Be #8 In Race

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Sure, Sampy in 99 missed AO and US open... and lost in 2nR of RG as well

yeah & Sampras ended up winning that TMC [ATP World Championships] by destroying Agassi in the final.. Pete finished the year ranked #2 or #3
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Re: Murray Just Needs To Win St.Petersberg To Be #8 In Race

Yeah Cmon Aussie, #3rd.

he bt. Agassi in the final 6-1 7-5 6-4 having lost to him 2-6 2-6 a few days earlier in a round robin match
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Re: Murray Just Needs To Win St.Petersberg To Be #8 In Race

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Now that Robredo and Haas are out of their respective tournaments this week and James Blake, Richard Gasquet and Tomas Berdych needing to make at least the QF stage to accumulate aymore Race points it now looks increasingly likely that Murray will qualify 8th for Shanghai.

Murray's 5th best is only 5 points so by winning St.Petersberg (considering his draw and recent Madrid form will be more than likely) his Race points will go up to 329. Fortunately he should be seeded in Paris and if he makes a good run there, while other faulter early, he could very well be heading over to Shanghai after Paris.

BTW, Has any player ever qualified for the T.M.C. despite missing two Grand Slams?

Thanks.

BTW, i think you`ve done your maths incorrectly

if Murray wins St.Petersberg [worth 35pts] he`ll have 316 race points, making him equal 13th!!
Basically Murray needs to win this week & make the final of Paris AMS to qualify for TMC
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i would rather have two of murray, gasquet and berdman in the tmc than boredo, gonzalez etc.

but its only time. they will all probably be there next year.

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Yeah Cmon Aussie, #3rd.

he bt. Agassi in the final 6-1 7-5 6-4 having lost to him 2-6 2-6 a few days earlier in a round robin match
Andre was so confident before that final, he said that (paraphrasing to the best of my memory) " he wouldn't feel like No. 1 if he did not win the TMC"

So Pete helped him to not feel like No. 1
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That would be among the feel good stories of the year if Murray limped into Shanghai!

And oh, definitely would make Murray the REAL teenage talent of the year
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BTW, i think you`ve done your maths incorrectly

if Murray wins St.Petersberg [worth 35pts] he`ll have 316 race points, making him equal 13th!!
Basically Murray needs to win this week & make the final of Paris AMS to qualify for TMC
Urrr, hello?

St Pete is a 50 point event, not 35.
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yeah & Sampras ended up winning that TMC [ATP World Championships] by destroying Agassi in the final.. Pete finished the year ranked #2 or #3
Sampras was running super super fast that day. Some unbelieveble gets and forehands on the run!
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Urrr, hello?

St Pete is a 50 point event, not 35.
oops i was wrong
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when did St.Pete become a 50pt event
pretty sure it always used to be 35pts.
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Re: Murray Just Needs To Win St.Petersberg To Be #8 In Race

The 1999 ATP World Championships final was so funny. I think that in his frustration, Agassi aimed a bodyslam shot at Pete in the 3rd set, and after the match, he was so pissed off at losing so comprehensively, that he refused to take the microphone and address the crowd.
Agassi still deserved to finish as the year end no. 1 in 1999 of course, but there was no way that Kafelnikov (who finished the year ranked at no. 2) was better than Sampras that year. Sampras actually played much better tennis in 1999, than he did in 1998 when he finished as the year end no. 1.
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