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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 10-22-2007, 01:12 AM Thread Starter
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Should there be a bonus for beating the no.1 player?

Should there be a ranking point bonus for beating the no.1 player? For instance, if Player A beats Roger Federer in a tournament, in addition to the normal points awarded for that win, should there also be a bonus for the win since it was over the no.1 player?
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Re: Should there be a bonus for beating the no.1 player?

There should be boners for beating the no.1 player.
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sigh...i live in the same country as you two...
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Re: Should there be a bonus for beating the no.1 player?

There was a bonus. This ended sometime in the late 90's I think. Not sure why, but I think there should be a bonus. The reasons are especially evident right now with the numbers Federer puts up. He barely ever loses, so beating him should give you some type of bonus as you must be putting up stellar play to get the job done.

If I lose the first set, the match will be complicate, no?


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Re: Should there be a bonus for beating the no.1 player?

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There was a bonus. This ended sometime in the late 90's I think. Not sure why, but I think there should be a bonus. The reasons are especially evident right now with the numbers Federer puts up. He barely ever loses, so beating him should give you some type of bonus as you must be putting up stellar play to get the job done.
Or if he has a terrible day and loses to a low ranked player? I'm a bit glad they eliminated it--I don't even remember it :X
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What a question.
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There was a bonus. This ended sometime in the late 90's I think. Not sure why, but I think there should be a bonus. The reasons are especially evident right now with the numbers Federer puts up. He barely ever loses, so beating him should give you some type of bonus as you must be putting up stellar play to get the job done.
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Re: Should there be a bonus for beating the no.1 player?

No, there shouldn't be a bonus for beating the #1.

A player can't choose their draw and arn't responsible for whether or not the #1 chooses to opt out of a Masters Series Event or not (such as the Paris Masters which Federer routinely skips) so they should not be effectively punished by receiving less ranking points should they win a tournament than what a player would who encounters the #1 in their part of the draw and manages to beat them and win the title.

It simply isn't fair as the draw is always random and the #1 may not turn up to significant tournament where a player has done admirably to win.
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A player can't choose their draw and arn't responsible for whether or not the #1 chooses to opt out of a Masters Series Event or not (such as the Paris Masters which Federer routinely skips) so they should not be effectively punished by receiving less ranking points should they win a tournament than what a player would who encounters the #1 in their part of the draw and manages to beat them and win the title.
Who said anything about winning a title? I'm just talking about beating the no.1 player. The no.1 player is infamous for having weaker draws. A bonus would merely give more incentive for players to play better against the no.1. It isn't meant to be give an unfair advantage to players that face the no.1. Get real, it's not like Roger loses more than a few matches a year, so it's really unlikely the "lucky" competitors would get lucky in the end anyway. Once the no.1 is out, he's out. Only one competitor can do that, so it's not an unfair advantage if they are able to beat him.
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Who said anything about winning a title? I'm just talking about beating the no.1 player. The no.1 player is infamous for having weaker draws. A bonus would merely give more incentive for players to play better against the no.1. It isn't meant to be give an unfair advantage to players that face the no.1. Get real, it's not like Roger loses more than a few matches a year, so it's really unlikely the "lucky" competitors would get lucky in the end anyway. Once the no.1 is out, he's out. Only one competitor can do that, so it's not an unfair advantage if they are able to beat him.
The incentive is already there--they get the say that they beat the best player to play tennis yet. Unlikely that "lucky" competitors get the better of Roger? How about you get real? Canas ring a bell? Losing twice and then blowing him off the court completely tells me something about luck. Secondly, if we start talking about matchups, why should players who have a good record against the #1 get a bonus when the #1 does not if he beats them?
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Who said anything about winning a title? I'm just talking about beating the no.1 player. The no.1 player is infamous for having weaker draws. A bonus would merely give more incentive for players to play better against the no.1. It isn't meant to be give an unfair advantage to players that face the no.1. Get real, it's not like Roger loses more than a few matches a year, so it's really unlikely the "lucky" competitors would get lucky in the end anyway. Once the no.1 is out, he's out. Only one competitor can do that, so it's not an unfair advantage if they are able to beat him.
Terrible idea. If a player doesnt have enough incentive to beat the #1 player in the world then he should reconsider what he is doing
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Re: Should there be a bonus for beating the no.1 player?

This is bullshit. It's bonus enough to say you've beaten the #1.
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Re: Should there be a bonus for beating the no.1 player?

Nope, infact they should be spanked for being so rude as to dare defeat the mighty No.1
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Re: Should there be a bonus for beating the no.1 player?

In this age where Federer is a strong favourite for most of his matches, there may be a slight argument for this (although I am against it), but in the past it has been quite common that the number 1 wasn't dominating at all, and often got in a form slump losing a lot of matches, in which case it was more or less random luck for players to be able to get the bonus points. Suppose Federer had been injured for part of the season and Nadal would be number one, people would get bonus points every tournament for beating Nadal on hardcourts, that doesn't quite sound right.


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Re: Should there be a bonus for beating the no.1 player?

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There should be boners for beating the no.1 player.
that's exactly how I read the thread title at first glance.

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