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New Balls #2003--2007#..how did 5-rivals become `ONE`??

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@ the end of 2003 there was relative parity @ the top of men`s tennis with 5 New Balls all being @ similiar points in their career


2003 Federer:
1-Slam, 11-titles


2003 Hewitt:
2-Slams, 19-titles

2003 Safin:
1-Slam, 11-titles

2003 Roddick:
1-Slam, 11-titles

2003 Ferrero:
1-Slam, 11-titles



###~~However 4 years later 4/5 New Balls careers have stalled, in particular JCF has won precisly nothing since 2003, meanwhile FED`s added 11-Slams & 40-titles

2007 Federer:
12-Slams, 51-titles


2007 Hewitt:
2-Slams, 27-titles

2007 Safin:
2-Slams, 15-titles

2007 Roddick:
1-Slams, 23-titles

2007 Ferrero:
1-Slams, 11-titles


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~~So the question is this: could anyone foresee Federer`s utter domination over this 4 year period
How did FED improve so much
Why did the other New Balls fail to improve/get worse

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Re: New Balls #2003--2007#..how did 5-rivals become `ONE`??

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#FED since 2004: 11-Slams, 40-titles!

#SAFIN since 2004: 1-Slam, 4-titles.

#A.ROD since 2004: 12-titles

#HEWITT since 2004: 7-titles

#JCF since 2004: `zero`
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Re: New Balls #2003--2007#..how did 5-rivals become `ONE`??

Could anyone foresee Federer`s utter domination over this 4 year period?
No. Federer was always regarded as the prime talent of his generation, but he was also known for being unstable. A lot of people thought he would be #1 and win many slams, but I don't think anyone could have predicted this kind of domination. Generally, the consensus during 1998-2003 was that the men's game had gotten so deep, that complete domination would be impossible. It took a godlike player to prove that prediction wrong.

How did FED improve so much?
Godlike talent combined with the sudden control of his own mind, that he gained. There have been quite a few extremely gifted players, who didn't fulfill their promises due to their mind not being in its right place. Rios and Safin are prime examples of this. Federer combines the amazing talent of a Rios or McEnroe with the work ethic of a Llendl or Muster and the mental strength and focus a Sampras or Borg (well, perhaps not quite, but you get the idea).

Why did the other New Balls fail to improve/get worse?
JCF ran into injury hell. The rest of them took such a beating by Federer, that I think their downfall was more or less created by him. Had Federer not been in the mix, I think all of those players would have gone on to win several further slam titles.
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Re: New Balls #2003--2007#..how did 5-rivals become `ONE`??

it's truly an amazing accomplishment by Roger.

not sure where the others went wrong. it's too bad though.
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Re: New Balls #2003--2007#..how did 5-rivals become `ONE`??

I believe Federer is too good. I mean he's so talented. They didn't do anything wrong.
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Could anyone foresee Federer`s utter domination over this 4 year period?
No. Federer was always regarded as the prime talent of his generation, but he was also known for being unstable. A lot of people thought he would be #1 and win many slams, but I don't think anyone could have predicted this kind of domination. Generally, the consensus during 1998-2003 was that the men's game had gotten so deep, that complete domination would be impossible. It took a godlike player to prove that prediction wrong.

How did FED improve so much?
Godlike talent combined with the sudden control of his own mind, that he gained. There have been quite a few extremely gifted players, who didn't fulfill their promises due to their mind not being in its right place. Rios and Safin are prime examples of this. Federer combines the amazing talent of a Rios or McEnroe with the work ethic of a Llendl or Muster and the mental strength and focus a Sampras or Borg (well, perhaps not quite, but you get the idea).

Why did the other New Balls fail to improve/get worse?
JCF ran into injury hell. The rest of them took such a beating by Federer, that I think their downfall was more or less created by him. Had Federer not been in the mix, I think all of those players would have gone on to win several further slam titles.


thanks for your thoughts
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yeah i was one of those who thought the depth in men`s tennis would prevent Federesque domination from ever happening

especially considering Safin, Hewitt, Ferrero & Roddick were all young slam winners & @ around the same time as Federer won his 1st major->> just seemed highly unlikely that all of his rivals failed to maintain their momentum whilst Roger`s transformation into one of the most dominant sportsman ever took place

it`s still crazy to think that in the last 4-years the combined forces of Safin/Hewitt/Ferrero/Roddick have only combined for one lone victory [Safin`s defeat over Roger @ AO 2005 SF]

i`d still like to see a renaissance from one of FED`s former rivals, but as the years pass by it`s becoming less & less likely that the other former New Balls will ever win another slam between them
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So you're here to tell us that Federer's last 4 years have been quite good?

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So you're here to tell us that Federer's last 4 years have been quite good?

here to tell you that some of the younger members on MTF might not recall the era when 5 New Balls had relative parity =>> a mere 4-years ago

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when JCF defeated FED @ the Madrid SFs in 2003 to briefly become #1, did anyone foresee that Roger would go on to win 11-Slams & 40-titles, whilst JCF would never win another title [in the ensuing 4-years]

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Re: New Balls #2003--2007#..how did 5-rivals become `ONE`??

You dont' need to look far to find out what people thought about the "new balls" and the slam predictions for 2004 back in 2003, just go read that board from the start. I was curious enough to do that a few days ago.

It's great, people raving about Roddick and Ferrero.
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You dont' need to look far to find out what people thought about the "new balls" and the slam predictions for 2004 back in 2003, just go read that board from the start. I was curious enough to do that a few days ago.

It's great, people raving about Roddick and Ferrero.


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here to tell you that some of the younger members on MTF might not recall the era when 5 New Balls had relative parity =>> a mere 4-years ago

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when JCF defeated FED @ the Madrid SFs in 2003 to briefly become #1, did anyone foresee that Roger would go on to win 11-Slams & 40-titles, whilst JCF would never win another title [in the ensuing 4-years]
Mate its a given that no one is going to predict success of this magnitude...

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Re: New Balls #2003--2007#..how did 5-rivals become `ONE`??

Maybe in another 4 years, people will look back to 2007 and say: "Can you beleive Djokovic beat everyone in Madrid 07 and never won another title?!?!? And now Gasquet has 8 slams, Murray has 5?" etc.

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Re: New Balls #2003--2007#..how did 5-rivals become `ONE`??

Probably a stupid question, but how does one find threads from previous years?
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Maybe in another 4 years, people will look back to 2007 and say: "Can you beleive Djokovic beat everyone in Madrid 07 and never won another title?!?!? And now Gasquet has 8 slams, Murray has 5?" etc.

Looking back is always fun

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interesting scenario/example you suggest
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however we both know that Gasquet & Murray will be extremely lucky to win one slam between them

Nole on the other hand will surely win one & probably 3-4
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.....however we both know that Gasquet & Murray will be extremely lucky to win one slam between them
Your knowledge is not worth much, as Roger shows.

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