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How important is Shangai really?

how important is TMC for you all? I know it usualy goes with the four slams first and then the TMC but is TMC really at the point where it is really that important for playes and fans? almost like a minislam? for example if a player like Nalbanian retires, does he feel a simiilar acomplishment feeling the way a one slam wonder would feel if they retire?

to me, TMC is extremly important, I personaly LOVE te tournament, the round robbin, everything. I love the fact that it is in china as well. a great country without a slam.

But are there any fans that relly go "bleh" at the TMC? or is it really officialy the undisputed most prestigious tournament in tennis after the slams?

in order what are your top six most important tournaments?

I guess for me the most important is Wimbledon followed by the US Open followed by the French and the the australian, then the masters cup and then I guess the sony ericsson in miami simply for the fact that it is the most attended and viewed non slam tournament i think.. i may be wrong.
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I don't care for it.
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I like the Tennis Masters Cup and personally I consider it a tier below the slams but a tier above the other AMS events because it's by definition the best players of the year in a final showdown.

The problem with the TMC is that it's only existed in its current form for less than a decade, before that it was the Grand Slam Cup and the ATP World Championships as separate events and before that the Masters and it's suffered by the changes in format, changes in name, and also to some extent changes in location. And of course it's going to undergo it yet again in 2009, in terms of name and location.

I think for someone like Nalbandian, knowing he won it will be a source of pride when he retires - but on the same scale as winning a slam? No.

After all, Alex Corretja won the event in 98 and while people can usually remember the slam winners, with the TMC and its predecessors a lot of non stats wonks wouldn't have a clue who won it every year.

Part of this is it has less prestige...part of it is it has had less TV coverage - consistently, anyway.
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For me the slams are equal at the top of the list. Then comes the TMC and there is no sixth best tournament, all the AMS events are equal as well. Obviously some years some AMS events are better attended but overall they are equal.

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I like the Tennis Masters Cup and personally I consider it a tier below the slams but a tier above the other AMS events because it's by definition the best players of the year in a final showdown.

The problem with the TMC is that it's only existed in its current form for less than a decade, before that it was the Grand Slam Cup and the ATP World Championships as separate events and before that the Masters and it's suffered by the changes in format, changes in name, and also to some extent changes in location. And of course it's going to undergo it yet again in 2009, in terms of name and location.

I think for someone like Nalbandian, knowing he won it will be a source of pride when he retires - but on the same scale as winning a slam? No.

After all, Alex Corretja won the event in 98 and while people can usually remember the slam winners, with the TMC and its predecessors a lot of non stats wonks wouldn't have a clue who won it every year.

Part of this is it has less prestige...part of it is it has had less TV coverage - consistently, anyway.

The funny part about Nalbandian winning was the fact he never even qualified and ATP rang him up while he was on holiday, what a lucky guy.
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GS > TMC > TMS > clay TMS > Rotterdam > IS > challengers > clay IS > clay challengers.
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The funny part about Nalbandian winning was the fact he never even qualified and ATP rang him up while he was on holiday, what a lucky guy.
Yeah I love that fact too...makes me smile.
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1. Us Open
2. Roland Garros
3. Australian Open
Shanghai (only when Nalbandian is on it)
4. Wimbledon
5. Miami
6. MonteCarlo

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1. Us Open
2. Roland Garros
3. Australian Open
Shanghai (only when Nalbandian is on it)
4. Wimbledon
5. Miami
6. MonteCarlo
how could wimbledon be so low on that list really it should be the most important because it has so much tradition. here in aus they ont show us many tourneys unless we got pay tv all we get is aus open and wimbledon. we get the semis and gf of the us open and no fo. we also get d/c when aus plays and our crappy little worthless other tournaments

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how could wimbledon be so low on that list really it should be the most important because it has so much tradition. here in aus they ont show us many tourneys unless we got pay tv all we get is aus open and wimbledon. we get the semis and gf of the us open and no fo. we also get d/c when aus plays and our crappy little worthless other tournaments
Because in Wimbledon the word RALLY dont exist,, is so fast that it dosent give u time to appreciate

However i dont like it..

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Because in Wimbledon the word RALLY dont exist,, is so fast that it dosent give u time to appreciate

However i dont like it..
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Are you watching reruns? There were rallies with over 30-40 strokes the last few years.
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1. Wimbledon/USO
2. AO/FO
3. TMC
4. Miami
5. All other AMS

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I wonder how the players feel about it. I think many people don't quite rate it that much. It's almost an afterthought closing off the indoor season, and I feel it doesn't have the prestige of big clay or hard Masters Series tournaments with a lot of history. The ATP likes to talk about it because of the $$$ and that's why it's in a place like China which doesn't help. As a sporting achievement I think winning Miami or Monte Carlo feels much better than TMC.

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1. Wimbledon/USO
2. AO/FO
3. TMC
4. Miami
5. All other AMS

here`s my order:

1. AO/FO/Wimby/USO
2. TMC & Olympics
3. Rome
4. Miami, Indian Wells, Monte Carlo
5. All other AMS
6. Sydney, Barcelona, Queens, LA, Tokyo, Vienna
7. All other tourneys
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More like...

1. Kooyong
2. Houston

and...the rest pales in comparison.

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