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Once again: has Brad really helped Andy?...

since Gilbert became Roddick's coach. Has he really helped Roddick or just got lucky to be at the right place at the right time?

IMO Andy did improve in some aspects: at RG by one round, lost his visor. What else?

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Re: It's been a year...

Roddick would have won the USO without Gilbert, imo

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Re: It's been a year...

Andy would have won the USO sans Gilbert, but he wouldn't have won it in 03 You can see how much Gilbert has helped Andy. Every shot has improved, even his serve/forehand which were already one of, if not the best in the game.

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Re: It's been a year...

Just how tough a taskmaster is Gilbert? Is he willing to risk Andy's wrath to get him to do better? Is he willing to kick Andy's ass when he needs it or is he just a glorified yesman? Because IMO Andy needs a good now and then.

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Re: It's been a year...

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IMO Andy did improve in some aspects: at RG by one round, his visor. What else?
Ha ha! I hated that damn visor! Reminded me too much of some county club creepos who would crash my friends' keggers. I think that Brad been good for Andy for the reasons that Tangy stated above. From what I've seen and what I read in McEnroe's autobiography, Gilbert is an ass...but sometimes asses can make the coaches because they don't coddle and do push you.

I liked how Gilbert said that they would really focus on the Eurpean clay court season next year.
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Re: It's been a year...

I think Andy would have had a great 2003 summer regardless (winning a couple big titles). But I think having Brad made it even better. I believe Andy wouldn't have done as well on grass and probably wouldn't have beaten Nalbandian in the semis of USO...had Brad not been his coach. *shrugs*

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Re: It's been a year...

Andy beating David in the semis had little to do with Brad, and lots to do with other factors.

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Because IMO Andy needs a good now and then.
Well, Andy did Gilbert from the plane too...no?

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Re: It's been a year...

I pretty much agree that he would have had a good season anyway, but maybe not quite such a great season. There's no doubt Gilbert is talented and yes, he probably provides a much needed shove onto the practice court every now and then. On the other hand, I just get a vibe that Gilbert tries to take too much of the credit. Maybe I just don't follow enough Andy press, but it seems to me that as a rule Gilbert talks about "we" when Andy's winning and "he" when he's losing. That does not endear me to Gilbert.

I don't think a big ego and need for personal publicity are good things in a coach. On the other hand, someone as gregarious as Roddick obviously needs a coach who understands his relationship with the media.

Let's see if they're still together this time next year.
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Brad changed him in many ways. No way would Andy have had that great summer season without Brad. Brad should take a lot of credit for Andy's success.
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Re: Once again: has Brad really helped Andy?...

This year Andy has managed to get only to one GS final (QF, 2nd and QF), won only 4 tournaments (only Miami is a Super 9)...


If Brad has changed Andy so much, why Andy doesn't get results?
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Re: Once again: has Brad really helped Andy?...

It's good that the third thread in the past 2 days has been created on this subject. SO NEEDED!
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Re: Once again: has Brad really helped Andy?...

actually this thread has been created 3 months ago.
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Re: Once again: has Brad really helped Andy?...

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This year Andy has managed to get only to one GS final (QF, 2nd and QF), won only 4 tournaments (only Miami is a Super 9)...

If Brad has changed Andy so much, why Andy doesn't get results?
well he did last year. and yeah andy has been getting better, he just hasnt been getting the results we probably would have expected. but this year federer has had total dominance and a few other players have come along as well. andy has been getting better, but so have the others. and yeah i think andy would have done fine last summer without gilbert, but i think one of the main reasons he had such an awesome summer was because he had a new coach and fresh ideas and a different perspective and new goals. andy is doing fine imo, i would have liked to see him wion the bigger matches obviously, but i think he is doing just fine with gilbert.
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Re: Once again: has Brad really helped Andy?...

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actually this thread has been created 3 months ago.
hmm, it seems you're right about that. I take it back.
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