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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 10-06-2007, 05:19 PM Thread Starter
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Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

Just a thought, but...

-The best european clay courters don't show up at the other side of the world after Australia and/or Davis Cup to play there anyway (Moya in Bs As is an exception, but he'll not play forever).
-The only two big tournaments that come after LA tour in the calendar are Indian Wells and Miami, both played in hard courts. To prepare those TMS adequately would be a better incentive for some north americans and european players, and eventually better for local players considering preparation.
-There's no Coria and Gaudio anymore. Nowadays, almost every significant latin american player plays better (or at least, get better results) in hard courts. Nalbandian won Shanghai. Cañas won Toronto and was runner up in Miami this year. Chela has like more than 2 years playing better in hard than in clay. Gonzo was runner up at the AO. Massu won the olympics and lost a final in Madrid. All that in hard courts.
-Concerning "the Gaudio and Coria's argument", most of latin american players pretty much suck in clay nowadays. In Montecarlo there were no latinos in R16. In Rome they survived beacuse they only had to play themselves (and Volandri) until Sunday. In Hamburg only Gonzo made it to QF thanks to a lovely draw. In RG, only Cañas to QF.
-Players like Del Potro, Falla or Capdeville play better at hard courts than in clay.

IMHO Latin American tour could be a more popular stage of the season if it's taken as a preparation for IW and Miami tournaments. What do you think?? How about something like this?


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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

No.

There's enough hardcourt tennis as it is. They should stay clay, the attract reasonable fields and decent crowds - I see no reason to change. I enjoyed some coverage of them this year for the first time and I think they're fine as they are.

Some people want to play on clay as much as possible away from the mandatories and I think that's fine.
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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

Won't happen as the Latin American players would keep on getting knocked out in the first rounds.
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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

No way.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

Nah, they should grow grass courts.
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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

wow, a lot of clay-tour deffenders... I wasn't expecting that so quickly.

I understand latin american clay tour is a good chance for a lot of players to get enough points in order to be "main-drawed" almost the whole year (even if didn't work out a lot for Massu and Horna this year), and that there's a lot of latin youngsters who perform better in clay than in other surfaces, but some of the results produced in LA tour are tricky if we compare them with the same players in the european clay season. The calendar (LA tour placed between Australian Open and the american hard court Master Series, including a DC week) doesn't help as well. I just see this stage of the season so disconnected with the rest of the tour that I think making it a pre-Hardcourt TMS experience would be more attractive for some players that normally wouldn't even bother to show up at this tourneys...

Anyway, as a latino fan, I'm not very happy with the Latin American tour the way it is now. I didn't enjoy seeing Pashanski seeded in Viña, the RR fiasco in Bs As, and a lot of little details. But there's the possibility that the tour is well as it is and I'm just "DeVillierizing"
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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

Clay to South America is like sand in Saudi Arabia. Many of the top players from the region launched their careers there and the events serve their purpose. Nadal started his great run in 2005 in those events.

The Latin American circuit is a lot better than what it was and people forget it was held in December, and suffered because of it. Buenos Aires has turned itself around from the days when they almost lost the event and it wasn't because of hardcourt tennis. RR was a joke everywhere but these suffered more because of it.

The Brasil Open was played on hardcourt a few times, but there are so many hardcourt events as it is, no need for anymore.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

No, i don't like the idea, sorry...
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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

I love the variety of having some clay going on in February. February can be a bit of a dead month in terms of major interest - Federer hibernates again, the tour splits into 3 strands which don't get folded back together until Indian Wells. You have the Spring European Indoor events like Marseille and Rotterdam and Zagreb switching in the end to Dubai outdoors, the American Indoor/Hard events like Delray Beach, San Jose, Memphis and Las Vegas - all these are indoor hard or carpet events. Having some clay going on in Buenos Aires, Costa Do Sauipe, Vina Del Mar and Acapulco is a useful antidote to all this hardcourt and carpet stuff.
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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

no way, clay = latino

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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

I'm hardly clay's biggest fan, but no.
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I love the variety of having some clay going on in February. February can be a bit of a dead month in terms of major interest - Federer hibernates again, the tour splits into 3 strands which don't get folded back together until Indian Wells. You have the Spring European Indoor events like Marseille and Rotterdam and Zagreb switching in the end to Dubai outdoors, the American Indoor/Hard events like Delray Beach, San Jose, Memphis and Las Vegas - all these are indoor hard or carpet events. Having some clay going on in Buenos Aires, Costa Do Sauipe, Vina Del Mar and Acapulco is a useful antidote to all this hardcourt and carpet stuff.
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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

I beg to differ with the OP. Nadal is playing the SA clay swing (at least part of it, i don't think he would play in Viña) next year, PRECISELY for the red stuff. Glenn probably reserve the tickets for Costa Do Sauipe already.
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I'm hardly clay's biggest fan, but no. Delray Beach and Vegas are outdoors (but i know what you mean )
I knew I'd get pulled up on that - that sentence got a bit convoluted and in the end I just thought Sod It and left it
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Re: Should Latin American tour go hard-courts?

No. Three simultaneous hard-court swings would be just insane.

The LA clay swing already serves a purpose. For most players, the five/six days (that is, if the player went on to reach the final) between the end of Acapulco and the beginning of Indian Wells is enough to get used to the surface, and they won't be suffering from as much jet-lag as the ones that are coming from Dubai.

To be fair, most top players will go wherever the appearance money is, irrespective of the surface.

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