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Safin admits gamesmanship : Potito is not a junior, he should learn this tricks too

Open-Safin wins match but loses hearts

Sat 29 May, 2004 22:02

By Francois Thomazeau

PARIS, May 29 (Reuters) - Long and loud boos on centre court after his five-set epic against Italian qualifier Potito Starace on Saturday gave a perfect illustration of the emotions provoked by Marat Safin's uncompromising and erratic character.

Only 24 hours earlier, the Russian had been the Parisian crowd's darling after his thrilling five-set victory over Felix Mantilla.

In the four hours 25 minutes of his 6-7 6-4 3-6 7-5 7-5 third-round victory against Starace, the former world number one managed to overturn a seemingly desperate situation but, in the process, to turn 15,000 centre court fans against him.

Safin had made headlines the day before by pulling down his shorts during his win against Mantilla, then criticising officials for spoiling the show by giving him a penalty.

On Saturday, he was the one who spoiled an exciting contest, using old tricks in the hope of denting his young opponent's confidence.

The former U.S. Open champion undoubtedly had eight blisters on his left hand, which hampered his two-handed backhand.

But he did not necessarily need to receive treatment just after saving the first of two match points against him in the fourth set.

"I'm not the kind of person who calls the doctor but then I could not hold the racquet," Safin said.

"I have eight blisters and it was killing me. I showed them to the guy (Starace) because probably he could not believe it."

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The crowd did not seem convinced. They jeered and booed for most of the fifth set after the incident.

"It was difficult to explain and to show to everybody that I was injured. But I had to take the break. Why do I have to suffer and lose the match after spending so many hours on court?.

"It makes me sad that people cannot understand such simple things. I hope everybody could see my hands," Safin said.

On disputed and crucial points, Safin pre-empted the umpire's decisions, twice returning to his corner before calls had been made.

Safin was unapologetic about his behaviour.

"He's not a junior," he said of Starace. "We're in the professional ranks. He has to be aware of it. He can do it too."

After more than nine hours on court in three days, the Russian needed six match points to finally wear out the gifted and ice-cool Starace.

But he made it, narrowly avoiding a fourth successive day of action.

The match ended as dusk was falling on centre court and only minutes before another third-round match between Albert Costa and Xavier Malisse was halted because of poor light.

Safin goes on to meet Argentine David Nalbandian for a quarter-final place, probably hoping to make it shorter this time, and win back some hearts.

"At the end of the day, I ended up winning the match. If the crowd understand, great. If not, I'll be here in the next match anyway," he said.


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Re: Safin admits gamesmanship : Potito is not a junior, he should learn this tricks too

good job, Marat, not letting the fucking goddamn crowd getting on you!

they could boo as much as they want, but Marat went on winning!
I like nothing more than that if a certain player shows the crowd that it's useless to cheer against them. That's real strenght.

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Re: Safin admits gamesmanship : Potito is not a junior, he should learn this tricks too

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The epidemy of players calling the trainer when their opponents are serving for match continues...

That actually doesn't get to me nearly as much as the stuff about the line-calling:

"On disputed and crucial points, Safin pre-empted the umpire's decisions, twice returning to his corner before calls had been made.

Safin was unapologetic about his behaviour."

Because there's no excuse for that. I'll buy that he had blisters and maybe something happened to one of them and I can understand that at deuce after saving a match point that you'd want to be as close to 100% healthy as possible, I get that. But pre-empting the ump's calls is purely a mental tactic to throw off his far more inexperienced opponent.

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Re: Safin admits gamesmanship : Potito is not a junior, he should learn this tricks too

BTW, your thread title is not correct... Safin didn't admit gamesmanship (at least I couldn't find it in this excerpt!), he said exactly the opposite, that he needed treatment because he couldn't hold the racket any longer.

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On disputed and crucial points, Safin pre-empted the umpire's decisions, twice returning to his corner before calls had been made.

Safin was unapologetic about his behaviour.

"He's not a junior," he said of Starace. "We're in the professional ranks. He has to be aware of it. He can do it too."

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agree with Bunk... pre-empting line calls is really bad
But it's still the chair umpire's responsibility to not be affected by Safin's move and judge the mark fairly and unbiasedly.

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Re: Safin admits gamesmanship : Potito is not a junior, he should learn this tricks too

safin shouldnt be doing that move

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"On disputed and crucial points, Safin pre-empted the umpire's decisions, twice returning to his corner before calls had been made.
Out of curiousity, was Marat right about the line calls? Were they in his favor?
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Re: Safin admits gamesmanship : Potito is not a junior, he should learn this tricks too

He didn't ADMIT to gamesmanship, per se, because he DID have blisters, as he said. However, what he did was probably wrong. But we'll never actually know if calling the trainer affected the match outcome...

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Re: Safin admits gamesmanship : Potito is not a junior, he should learn this tricks too

I just love it how he says that he showed his blisters to Starace to show him. Isn't it a little weird that all of a sudden it became so unbearable to continue at such a crucial point :retard:

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I don't mind him calling the trainer. But...I do think it's wrong to pre-empt the umpire's calls.

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But it's still the chair umpire's responsibility to not be affected by Safin's move and judge the mark fairly and unbiasedly.
I don't think he did it to actually influence the calls. I think he did it to rattle his much more inexperienced opponent. And in that case, it's pretty bad sportsmanship IMO

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gosh! but was POTITo bummed about it?

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injury time outs should be between games, not during them. If a player is so injured they can't continue the game that game should be given to the opponent. Would solve all the controversy.
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injury time outs should be between games, not during them. If a player is so injured they can't continue the game that game should be given to the opponent. Would solve all the controversy.
What if someone falls and twists their ankle but with some tape would be able to continue?

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