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Swiss Rant

Take Roger out of the equation and we're pretty much f@#ked! Tennis.com's James Martin wrote

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When he was younger, Federer played quite a bit of Davis Cup (he’s competed in 41 Davis Cup singles and doubles matches in his career), but hasn’t played much lately. At one point, he voiced concerns about the drain of having to carry his team. “I need a bit of help with the team and the fans and everything. I’ve done it a number of times to win three points.”

That may have been the case a few years ago. Not now, not with teammate Stanislas Wawrinka. He’s a talented, hard-hitting kid, kind of like a Version 2.0 of Marat Safin, who can more than hold his own. Swiss Marco Chiudinelli has had promising DC results, too.

Clearly, if these guys banded together, Switzerland wouldn’t just be a factor in the Davis Cup – it’d be one of the favorites to win it all.

A load of bullshit we're a one man band and Roger knows it, the fact that the team almost always ends up in the relegation matches without roger in the early stages illustrates this!
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Federer should just play the 1st round matches and then he won't have to worry about relegation play offs.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Federer should just play the 1st round matches and then he won't have to worry about relegation play offs.

It's not about Roger its about the quality of swiss tennis, he carries the team and that's just wrong, it exposes the weakness of swiss tennis, Wawrinka has to learn to be more consistent he's 22 years old, now is the time for him to be raising his game...


if we win the Davis Cup with roger winning all the matches belive me I'll be one swiss who won't be celebrating, its a gloss ofer the real state of our national tennis!
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they'll do good. Federer secures all the points and Federer/allegro are good doubles team

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It's not about Roger its about the quality of swiss tennis, he carries the team and that's just wrong, it exposes the weakness of swiss tennis, Wawrinka has to learn to be more consistent he's 22 years old, now is the time for him to be raising his game...


if we win the Davis Cup with roger winning all the matches belive me I'll be one swiss who won't be celebrating, its a gloss ofer the real state of our national tennis!
Wawrinka is good enough as a number 2, and if it so bad, then Federer shouldn't bother. He is in a position to pick and choose his ties. Like I said the Netherlands and Australia, he could have played that and then kept them in the World Group.

Then after Feb, he doesn't have to bother with it.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Wawrinka is a potential top 20 player, he's no mug.

What do Switzerland expect, to have the #1 and #2 players in the world?
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It's not about Roger its about the quality of swiss tennis, he carries the team and that's just wrong, it exposes the weakness of swiss tennis, Wawrinka has to learn to be more consistent he's 22 years old, now is the time for him to be raising his game...
Lets wait and see how Stan does against Stepanek. It's no shame to lose to Berdych who plays at home.

Of course Roger carries the team, we had the same in Germany with Becker. He had to win the 2 points and get the job done in the doubles together with Eric Jelen.
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Roger carries the team. What's new? And who cares? We're never going to win and we might be relegated from the World Group next year when Roger doesn't play. 2008 will probably be the most important year of Roger's career for many reasons, and they don't include Davis Cup.

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Wawrinka is actually a solid #2. The Swiss just got bad luck with this draw... I mean this could easily be one of the semis going on!

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Federer should just play the 1st round matches and then he won't have to worry about relegation play offs.

And then, this year, when Switzeraland faced the US team, people would say "Federer doesnt care about the DC, because he could had defeated Blake/ Roddick and Brians, taking Switzerland to the next round".

And if Roger doesnt play at all people would say: he really doesnt care, because if he played, his team would still be at the World Group.

But I Fed plays and loses, people will say: he tanked the match, because there is no way he could'd lost it.

And if he carries the Swiss team to the title, then people would say: "who cares, it is a weak era" or "it is not fair Switzerland winning because of only one player".

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And then, this year, when Switzeraland faced the US team, people would say "Federer doesnt care about the DC, because he could had defeated Blake/ Roddick and Brians, taking Switzerland to the next round".

And if Roger doesnt play at all people would say: he really doesnt care, because if he played, his team would still be at the World Group.

But I Fed plays and loses, people will say: he tanked the match, because there is no way he could'd lost it.

And if he carries the Swiss team to the title, then people would say: "who cares, it is a weak era" or "it is not fair Switzerland winning because of only one player".
Cry me a river.

Tanking for his country, you think Fed would do that, then again he doesn't play DC often enough to tank it.

You are obsessed with how people perceive Federer. He can take the kudos, but at the same time he has take the criticism when warranted and his attitude to DC deserves to be criticised.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Cry me a river.

Tanking for his country, you think Fed would do that, then again he doesn't play DC often enough to tank it.

You are obsessed with how people perceive Federer. He can take the kudos, but at the same time he has take the criticism when warranted and his attitude to DC deserves to be criticised.
If I am obsessed if how people perceive Roger, you are on a mission to twist my words.

I dont think Roger would tank the match. I am saying that some tard would accuse Roger of doing that, if Roger played, for example, the second round and loses it, just to prove their point that Roger doesnt care about the DC. The second Roger started with his half-time deal with the DC, regardless of how much or when he plays, people will find a way to criticize him.

If you read my posts about this thing, in most of them I wrote that Roger's half deal with the DC thing is selfish. Even if he has his reasons, it is selfish. If you are bothering on replying to my posts, make sure you read them properly. I never said his attitude towards the DC is criticism free. But one thing is fair criticism, another one is this witch hunt.

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A load of bullshit we're a one man band and Roger knows it, the fact that the team almost always ends up in the relegation matches without roger in the early stages illustrates this!
I've always thought it a bit of a farce that one man can basically win the Davis Cup, but that's the nature of the competition. The fact is, Switzerland with Roger is a very tough team for anybody to beat. Wawrinka is young, still improving, and quite a talented player. How many teams have multiple top-50 players and almost a guaranteed 2 points regardless of opponent or surface? If Roger plays, they are a very tough team to beat; it doesn't matter that they don't have the depth of Argentina or Russia.
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Davis Cup is irrelevant. Only slams matter.
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If anything Spain should have the best DC team. Think about it - Nadal, Ferrer, Moya.
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