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A couple of ridiculous articles

I'm not trying to be a shit stirrer but I saw these articles and they made me so angry. I thought that only you dear folk at MTF could understand why these articles are so horrible.

http://www.chicagosportsreview.com/c...w.asp?c=109124

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/ten...ory?id=1573927

Once again - articles that are really dismissive of men's tennis written by columnists who claim to be tennis fans but are obviously completely ignorant about the sprort. Tony from Chicago Sports Review says that he never heard of Coria and just found out that Federer was Swiss? What a stupid tool. I wonder if Tony, Ray, and Sally Jenkins have a special "Uniformend Sports Journalists" three-way thing happening.

Meanwhile- columnists here are calling Kobe Bryant "brave" for being able to score points while traveling between the **** trial and the playoffs. I swear ...another sign that the apocalypse is upon us (to use a header from SI) .
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Doesn't give a positive image of American sports journalists being intelligent creatures. They should stick to subjects that they know about, or at least have something of a concept, rubbish jourmalism.
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Just reading the Chicago Sports Review article just now, and it seems he is making some valid points, but he concludes the wrong things. His knowledge of the game is 'striking'.

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I have had the opportunity to attend all three of these tournaments, and it is great fun
And yet he doesn't know Federer is from Switzerland, that Coría reached the semis in Paris last year and that Nalbandían reached the Wimbledon final?

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And yet he doesn't know Federer is from Switzerland, that Coría reached the semis in Paris last year and that Nalbandían reached the Wimbledon final?
The funny thing is if I submitted this written work in a school class, I would be told to rewrite it.
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It may be American indifference, but these two young women have received less attention than the first person’s eliminated from “Survivor,” “The Apprentice” and “American Idol” put together.
Wouldn't it be a more powerful argument to say that they reached less attention than the first person eliminated from "Survivor" alone, rather than the combination of three programs? He is weakening his own arguments, which is interesting.

Also he seems to think that dominance in tennis is the equivalent of interesting tennis. I was so bored myself, with the Williams sisters dominating the game and the same goes for Agassi and Sampras. I am actually very much pleased with the game at the moment, as upsets mean exciting matches in every round. Even in the women's game, though less there, fewer bagels are handed out in the early matches (the entire first week used to be a week of victories in no longer than an hour). What is he complaining about? Yes, it is a pity that serve & volley tennis is losing importance in the game, but putting an end to technological development is a very rigid kind of conservationism and might actually lead to the inability to create rackets with which net play regains its position in tennis.

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The funny thing is if I submitted this written work in a school class, I would be told to rewrite it.
I know. You should try to find the thread in which Sally Jenkins' article on tennis is discussed. It led to quite a vivid discussion here, with some posters (including me) wrote her an e-mail in which we explained how wrong she was. Only one received an answer, which was quite defensive and far from convincing. This article is not as bad, but it is really striking that a sports journalist doesn't know Coría or Nalbandían and doesn't even know Federer is Swiss. If you don't know anything about the game, then don't write articles on the subject!

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from this

By "Evil" Tony Fernandez

I don't think anyone should take this guy seriously. He claimed he's been to Roland Garros, Wimbleton and USO and he don't know Roger is Swiss and never heard of Coria and Nalbandian, I concluded that he went to these events during McEnroe era.

It's the editors' responsibility to weed out reports like this or put a disclaimer on these articles

From the bottom of ESPN report

Ray Ratto is a columnist with the San Francisco Chronicle and a regular contributor to ESPN.com

Again, sounds to me that the editor has a deadline to make and his star journalist missed the cut off time so he/she just filled up the empty space with garbage.
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And I believe Tony and Ray are called columnists, not journalists. In North America, anyone with half a brain can be a columnist
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One more thing that tells us "Evil" Tony Fernandez knows zip about nowadays tennis is that his top 10 players are from the champion race list, not the entry ranking list.
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This is an extract of an email I sent to Evil Fernandez :

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Should "casual observers" be writing about tennis ? No i don't think so. When someone has never heard of Coria or Nalbandian (!!!) and doesn't even know Roger Federer's nationality (!!!!) that person should definately NOT be writing articles about tennis.
Just because there is no top american male player on the circuit (besides roddick) doesnt mean you should insult the other players ...
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yeah Gouzo!!!!!!

thing is... the editors are just as pathetic as the columnists themselves to allow such crap through...

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One more thing that tells us "Evil" Tony Fernandez knows zip about nowadays tennis is that his top 10 players are from the champion race list, not the entry ranking list.
either way he's just showing the world how inadequate (to put it mildly) his tennis knowledge is, Roger's top of the table in BOTH lists and he's just found out where Roger's from...he's a disgrace to all writers!

stuff like that actually makes me like wertheim.

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Oh, God, where do I start? Oh, the sentence structure. Bad all around. My teacher would definitely have me write that over again-with feeling the next time. And the grammar....do I need to say it?

"Evil" Tony doesn't know that Carlos Moya won the French in 1998, but he says that Moya is unable to "close the deal"? What rock did he crawl out from? Was he actually at that French Open, fun as it was to attend?

The second writer.....oh, god, he needs to find a rock to crawl back under-quickly. Did he forget that Roddick won the US Open or that Hewitt has won Wimbledon before? Or that Hewitt's fiancee has yet to win a slam, but he places HER above Hewitt in popularity (at least that's what I'm reading into his brief comments about Clijsters)? Whatever for that guy....
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What I don't understand in these articles is the bizarre conviction that improved racket technology has led to fewer long rallies and points won solely through big serving. Have they watched tennis at all recently? I should think that it's long rallies and baseline points that the McEnroe-led wooden racket brigade are campaigning against, because we get plenty of them nowadays. And yes, his ignorance of the top players is disgusting and is supposedly all the fault of the game for not promoting them enough, when in fact the media that he works for provides such lousy coverage of tennis that it's largely his own profession's fault. I will agree that the tours need better promotion, but it's hardly all down to them.

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