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Anyone noticed Nadal's serve speeds at W?

He has gotten them in over 130 and averaged 115 or so on his first serve. These numbers are comparable to Federer, though marginally smaller.

I don't ever recall Nadal serving at that speed. His motion is back to the usual, but something must have changed for him to be getting them in at this speed.

Another interesting stat-Nadal is #1 on the year for 2nd serve points won and #4 on the year for service games won. He's above Federer on both of those lists. He's doing well on some other serving stats too. As a fan, I gotta believe this means it's all coming together.

Maybe he really did lose those ten months only because his game was transitioning. I hope he can put some good numbers on the board tommorrow against Berdych. I really think grass suits his game *much* better than hardcourts. These guys can't take such a big cut at the ball here too, so we'll see.

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He has gotten them in over 130 and averaged 115 or so on his first serve. These numbers are comparable to Federer, though marginally smaller.

I don't ever recall Nadal serving at that speed. His motion is back to the usual, but something must have changed for him to be getting them in at this speed.

Another interesting stat-Nadal is #1 on the year for 2nd serve points won and #4 on the year for service games won. He's above Federer on both of those lists. He's doing well on some other serving stats too. As a fan, I gotta believe this means it's all coming together.

Maybe he really did lose those ten months only because his game was transitioning. I hope he can put some good numbers on the board tommorrow against Berdych. I really think grass suits his game *much* better than hardcourts. These guys can't take such a big cut at the ball here too, so we'll see.

ATP serving stats found here:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/
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His serve has improved a lot, but it falls short more often than Federer's.

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Him winning more serve games and points on his second serve has nothing to do with the serve itself. It has to do with the fact he dominated the clay season for the third straight year.
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It has do to with moonballing.
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The serve stats are misleading here, they merely reflect the efficiency of Nadal's ground game, especially coming after the clay court season. Similarly I remember that back in 2005 Nadal was leading at some point all the return of serve statistics, but it was not the case that he was the best returner on tour, he just played a lot of matches on clay that year.

The most relevant statistic would be % of 1st and 2nd serves resulting in a point, i.e. counting the aces and the unreturnables but that is not provided.

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Him winning more serve games and points on his second serve has nothing to do with the serve itself. It has to do with the fact he dominated the clay season for the third straight year.
The service games won is an interesting one though.
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The service games won is an interesting one though.
Once again though, it has nothing to do with his serve. He just spins it in on clay and beats the opponent from the back of the court.
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Once again though, it has nothing to do with his serve. He just spins it in on clay and beats the opponent from the back of the court.
Well, assuming the stats are only a reflection of the clay season (or largely anyway), what about the 130 + speeds and the Indian Wells title. He did pull it together just before the clay season started. There was *something* different by then.
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He has gotten them in over 130 and averaged 115 or so on his first serve. These numbers are comparable to Federer, though marginally smaller.

I don't ever recall Nadal serving at that speed. His motion is back to the usual, but something must have changed for him to be getting them in at this speed.

Another interesting stat-Nadal is #1 on the year for 2nd serve points won and #4 on the year for service games won. He's above Federer on both of those lists. He's doing well on some other serving stats too. As a fan, I gotta believe this means it's all coming together.

Maybe he really did lose those ten months only because his game was transitioning. I hope he can put some good numbers on the board tommorrow against Berdych. I really think grass suits his game *much* better than hardcourts. These guys can't take such a big cut at the ball here too, so we'll see.

ATP serving stats found here:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/
Not much different from last year. He served a lot better last year actually.
He got the serve on the AD side a lot wider to the BH (of most players who are righties) and hit BH's CC or FH's inside-out very effectively last year. He had countless serve out wide on the AD, followed by either A) FH CC off of the short or mid-court ball drawing an unreturned or defensive lob B) BH CC which set up the FH CC next, repeat or C) inside-out FH for a winner.

His serve would be a lot more effective if he could regurarly serve down the T on the Ad side and out wide on the deuce court. His opponents cheat over to their BH's (if they are righties) and are getting that return back in play. Making them think about the flat serve down the T or out wide will definitely make his serve more effective.
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who do you think you are? When Nadal learns to serve you can come here and speak pure as you usually do. Your analysis is something a monkey can realise has nothing to do with facts.
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Not much different from last year. He served a lot better last year actually.
He got the serve on the AD side a lot wider to the BH (of most players who are righties) and hit BH's CC or FH's inside-out very effectively last year. He had countless serve out wide on the AD, followed by either A) FH CC off of the short or mid-court ball drawing an unreturned or defensive lob B) BH CC which set up the FH CC next, repeat or C) inside-out FH for a winner.

His serve would be a lot more effective if he could regurarly serve down the T on the Ad side and out wide on the deuce court. His opponents cheat over to their BH's (if they are righties) and are getting that return back in play. Making them think about the flat serve down the T or out wide will definitely make his serve more effective.
He does try the slider down the T on the ad-side, but more often than not he misses it. That one does have mega-potential being that his spin is so crazy...
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