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The Underappreciated Surface

Does anyone else out there wish there were more tournaments held on carpet throughout the year? Maybe even a short carpet season? There obviously couldn't be a slam on it, but I just love watching carpet matches and my faves always do well on it. Is there any particular reason it wouldn't work?

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Re: The Underappreciated Surface

You would've loved the 70's, 80's, and early to mid 90's. They played on carpet all year round back then.
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No

They had plenty of tournaments on carpet in the 90s, it was big time serve fests for the most part and this was one of the reason the surface was phased out, with the grass being slowed down.

At least with grass, there are some elements like wind, the sun, humidity and these elements were taken away and made it even more advantageous for huge servers .

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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You would've loved the 70's, 80's, and early to mid 90's. They played on carpet all year round back then.
I think Martina Nav wish there were more events on carpet.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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They had plenty of tournaments on carpet in the 90s, it was big time serve fests for the most part and this was one of the reason the surface was phased out, with the grass being slowed down.

At least with grass, there are some elements like wind, the sun, humidity and these elements were taken away and made it even more advantageous for huge servers .

Never thought about it that way. However, it's not only big servers that do well on the surface.


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You would've loved the 70's, 80's, and early to mid 90's. They played on carpet all year round back then.
Yeah I only started watching tennis regularly about 1998.

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Never thought about it that way. However, it's not only big servers that do well on the surface.


SINGLES WINNERS - PARIS AMS SINCE 2000

2006 Nikolay Davydenko

2005 Tomas Berdych

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Kuerten had a strong serve, he served over 50 aces in a DC match, so he is no dud. Johansson has a strong serve as well at his peak.

St Petersburg is a MM event. The majority of players that do well on carpet are strong servers and it was just a serving side show in the heydays as NYC explained when there were more events.

Boris Becker, Goran, Rusedski, Enqvist, Sampras, all indoor monsters.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Kuerten had a strong serve, he served over 50 aces in a DC match, so he is no dud. Johansson has a strong serve as well at his peak.

St Petersburg is a MM event. The majority of players that do well on carpet are strong servers and it was just a serving side show in the heydays as NYC explained when there were more events.

Boris Becker, Goran, Rusedski, Enqvist, Sampras, all indoor monsters.
Ah well... in any case the carpet matches I've seen have always been as entertaining as any other surface.

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Ah well... in any case the carpet matches I've seen have always been as entertaining as any other surface.
There aren't many carpet matches these days and that's good. You just don't remember the dark days when they were playing on ice rinks in the German events among other places.

If you think that's interesting, then good for you.

There are valid reasons as to why there aren't as many events on carpet these days.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Re: The Underappreciated Surface

I bet GWH secretly watches the Sampras v. Becker 1996 Singles Championship final from time to time.
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I bet GWH secretly watches the Sampras v. Becker 1996 Singles Championship final from time to time.
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On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: The Underappreciated Surface

More carpet tourneys should be played. 'Big serving' Nadal needs to win one on carpet, no?

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so what about just slowing carpet down a little? it worked with grass, isn't it possible to come up with slower carpet surfaces as well?

i mean, the core of carpet sounds good to me: no rain effect, no heat effect, just pure tennis. you slow down the surface, you're good to go.
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It's actually not that a good surface, especially if it sticks, look what happened at the Swiss/Spain tie to Wawrinka, Ferrer.

Well it's just a thin layer of carpet laid over slick wooden boards. Indoor tennis sucks anyway, dealing with natures elements are part of the fun of the game.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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