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How to beat Nadal on clay?

What kind of weapons do you think a player need to have to beat Nadal on clay, what strategy works against Nadal on clay? 1st you need to have the weapons obviously, then you need to have a strategy to use the weapons in the right way. Which players do you think have the weapons to beat Nadal on clay? What strategy should they use?

I would like to hear this from people who knows alot about tennis. I dont know too much but the way I see it you have to attack Nadals weaknesses and play really short rallies, because when you start challenging him in a rally he is going to win +70% against almost any player out there on clay.

I think you really need to attack his 2nd serve which may be his weakest shot, it shortens the points and he doesnt have time to catch the ball if it is done in the right way as he has just completed his serving motion.

You need to serve really big, I was challenged once by GeorgeWhitler who just didnt think the serve is that important on clay and it may not be, but I think it is important against NAdal because he is a very mediocre 1st serve returner and I have seen players get many free points from their serve on clay against NAdal. Federers serve was amazing in Rome where he won 80% of his 1st serves which is more than any other player did on clay against NAdal last year and it almost payed of. A net game suits really good with a big serve to come in and finish the point quickly, something once again Federer did quite often in rome. Not a typical clay strategy, but on the other hand I dont think any of the claycourters have come with a better clay strategy to beat Nadal.

Last you need to have a consistent backhand which is powerful and attack NAdals forehand cross, because Nadal covers up the backhand down the line completely on clay. Whenever you get a chance to hit a big forehand do that, dont miss any oppurtunities to kill the point.

I have said before I belive Berdych to be player who I think can beat Nadal, he has praticaly all weapons I think is needed to defeat Nadal on clay. He only is inconsistent and need to have a really good day to defeat Nadal. I cant actually see anyone else beating Nadal, I am kind of curious on what Nalbandian could do, but his serve is a joke and even if he would break Nadal sometimes, Nadal would probably break him more often. Roger might beat Nadal in Rome, but his backhand doesnt have enought power to challenge Nadals forehand on clay and is too incosistent and his serve returns on clay are mediocre.

Please post your on thoughts about how to slow down the beast on clay. DOnt make this into a tardfight and dont concentrate in beeing critical on what I have been saying, if you think what I wrote was rubbish just post your own thoughts on how to beat NAdal on clay.
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Re: How to beat Nadal on clay?

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How to beat Nadal on clay?

What kind of weapons do you think a player need to have to beat Nadal on clay, what strategy works against Nadal on clay? 1st you need to have the weapons obviously, then you need to have a strategy to use the weapons in the right way. Which players do you think have the weapons to beat Nadal on clay? What strategy should they use?

I would like to hear this from people who knows alot about tennis. I dont know too much but the way I see it you have to attack Nadals weaknesses and play really short rallies, because when you start challenging him in a rally he is going to win +70% against almost any player out there on clay.

I think you really need to attack his 2nd serve which may be his weakest shot, it shortens the points and he doesnt have time to catch the ball if it is done in the right way as he has just completed his serving motion.

You need to serve really big, I was challenged once by GeorgeWhitler who just didnt think the serve is that important on clay and it may not be, but I think it is important against NAdal because he is a very mediocre 1st serve returner and I have seen players get many free points from their serve on clay against NAdal. Federers serve was amazing in Rome where he won 80% of his 1st serves which is more than any other player did on clay against NAdal last year and it almost payed of. A net game suits really good with a big serve to come in and finish the point quickly, something once again Federer did quite often in rome. Not a typical clay strategy, but on the other hand I dont think any of the claycourters have come with a better clay strategy to beat Nadal.

Last you need to have a consistent backhand which is powerful and attack NAdals forehand cross, because Nadal covers up the backhand down the line completely on clay. Whenever you get a chance to hit a big forehand do that, dont miss any oppurtunities to kill the point.

I have said before I belive Berdych to be player who I think can beat Nadal, he has praticaly all weapons I think is needed to defeat Nadal on clay. He only is inconsistent and need to have a really good day to defeat Nadal. I cant actually see anyone else beating Nadal, I am kind of curious on what Nalbandian could do, but his serve is a joke and even if he would break Nadal sometimes, Nadal would probably break him more often. Roger might beat Nadal in Rome, but his backhand doesnt have enought power to challenge Nadals forehand on clay and is too incosistent and his serve returns on clay are mediocre.

Please post your on thoughts about how to slow down the beast on clay. DOnt make this into a tardfight and dont concentrate in beeing critical on what I have been saying, if you think what I wrote was rubbish just post your own thoughts on how to beat NAdal on clay.
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Re: How to beat Nadal on clay?

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Re: How to beat Nadal on clay?

- Attack his serve, it's probably one of the easiest balls you'll get to hit in the rally.

- Don't let him dictate rallies, take the ball early and try to push him behind the baseline.

- Drop shots are useful, although Nadal is fast he falls for the drop shot quite often as he stands far back.

- Play extremely well and hope he has an off day
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Ask him how to beat Nadal 2 years ago you mean?
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Ask him how to beat Nadal 2 years ago you mean?

such naiveté.

It's the same, Nadal is the same moonballer he ever was.
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- Don't let him dictate rallies, take the ball early and try to push him behind the baseline.
I dont know if it is just me, but I think Nadal on clay is completely comfortabe not dictating the rallies. There just is no hole in his defense and it is way more probable that the oppnent is going to end making an UE then hitting a winner and if Nadas opponent make a short ball NAdal eats that up. So he lets his opponent be in a position where they need to make risky powerful shots over and over again until they make an UE. On hardcourt this is exactly the reason he loses against hardhitters, he is too comfortable letting others dictate the point thinking he has the upper hand just like he does have on clay.
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Re: How to beat Nadal on clay?

i'm not sure if his 2nd serve is his weakness as he has won 76% of his 2nd srv in the last 6 month! i also am not sure if he has many clear weaknesses! his volleys has improved 100% in compare to last year,his serve,BH,FH,all have improved and of course his most powerful weapon which was his passing-shots has got even better as we see him hit it 3 times perfect in last two matches! so plz don't ask about "how to beat him" cuz he seems unbeatable! after 64 matches and still no defeat!

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Re: How to beat Nadal on clay?

If you really think that you know nothin about the game.
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Re: How to beat Nadal on clay?

Adding to the list:

1) A two handed backhand helps

2) Height so that Nadal's heavy topspin is in your strike zone (or take the ball very early to negate the topspin).

3) Be aggressive on second serves since they are very attackable.

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Re: How to beat Nadal on clay?

I think you just have to hope for him to have an off day. Though with his style the things he relies upon don't really give way. I mean your not really slower one day than the other and with the amount of topspin he can put on the ball its hard for him to miss.
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Re: How to beat Nadal on clay?

The reason I think Berdych can still be succesfull against NAdal on clay is because he is the powerhitter who had most success on clay together maybe with Gonzalez. Youzhny and Blake are very avarage on clay. Now Gonzalez just may also be able to beat Nadal but I dont like his backhand, those slices which worked in AO wont be a problem for Nadal on clay (not even Federers amazing slices cause problem for Nadal on clay).

Berdych is a big guy with a powerful cross 2 handedbackhand and those forehand topspins on that backhand just wont be as intimidating for Berdych.
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Re: How to beat Nadal on clay?

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- Attack his serve, it's probably one of the easiest balls you'll get to hit in the rally.

- Don't let him dictate rallies, take the ball early and try to push him behind the baseline.

- Drop shots are useful, although Nadal is fast he falls for the drop shot quite often as he stands far back.

- Play extremely well and hope he has an off day
Rather good points there... except the drop shot. He seems able to catch all of them but the best of the breed, even when standing 4 yards behind the baseline. And then often kills them with ease.

I'd say (on top of your suggestions): you need a monster 2H BH, hit it deep and strong into his forehand. His forehand is an awesome weapon when he has time to actually execute it (on clay, it's more often than not); but otherwise, it can be broken by relentless bludgeoning.

Also, a monster 1st serve would be useful if you could get a ton of service winners or at least weak returns for easy putaways or something.
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