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View Poll Results: Which option would you choose ?
sending a pick by PM 24 75.00%
gentlemen's agreement* 1 3.13%
unlimited changing of a pick 3 9.38%
reversal pick ** 4 12.50%
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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 05-09-2010, 01:46 PM Thread Starter
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fair final pick

Which option would you choose, in the case if two players are close to each other before the final and have both one pick left? What to do to keep it fair play?

*gentlemen's agreement - two players can agree that the higher standing player won't "block" the lower one (by posting the same pick)

**reversal pick - player can post a pick e.g.

PAW13: Federer over Nadal
if player X picks the same then please revers to Nadal over Federer


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Re: fair final pick

Thee could be a fifth option where that the higher ranked player gets to pick first, but they cannot change it after they have made that pick. Then the second person can either decide to choose the opposite player and go for the win or try and guard their second place against people below and go for the same pick as the leader (as the leader will have most likely chosen the favourite player to win)

the leader has an advantage as they get to choose first but a disadvanatage in that they do not get to decide whether their pick is the same or different from the second person

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Re: fair final pick

Don't know really. Will give it a think.

Unlimited change of picks has always been the deal, but one can lose it because not being online at the time play will start.
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Re: fair final pick

I really have no idea

but I don't like *gentlemen's agreement

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Re: fair final pick

definately send by PM, both players can do what they want without the other knowing

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Re: fair final pick

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definately send by PM, both players can do what they want without the other knowing
This is

Sending the picks in PMs shouldn't be allowed except for the final pick only.
Each player can send their final pick to the manager in PM without knowing the final pick(s) of the other player(s).
The manager should capture the PMs & add their images in the thread after the match starts.
This situation should be allowed only for those players who compete for the title by their final picks.

I refuse the 'reversal pick' option at all. Each player should write their pick regardless to the others'.

This is my opinion.

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Re: fair final pick

So, do you know see Aenea?
Guys, look at this pages: http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...60#post9895560
Labamba's pick was: Reverse of my pick and I sent my pick by PM. . . And Labamba accepted it! :O Very unfair!

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Re: fair final pick

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definately send by PM, both players can do what they want without the other knowing
very often the managers play the tournament that they are managing. what if the manager himself is one of the contenders for the title. then what?

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Re: fair final pick

Then he can send PM to one of competitors who want to help :S

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Re: fair final pick

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So, do you know see Aenea?
Guys, look at this pages: http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...60#post9895560
Labamba's pick was: Reverse of my pick and I sent my pick by PM. . . And Labamba accepted it! :O Very unfair!
there wasn't any rule about that at that moment
all you can say to Aenea is "thank you very much for managing this and others tournaments"
you've already been whining in rome paw thread in stupid and arrogant way
unless you are able to express your doubts in other words, better stay quiet
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Re: fair final pick

No, I won't stay quiet to this tyranny!

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I won't discuss with you kiddy anymore
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Re: fair final pick

I think the only way to resolve this issue is to allow all players (not just those in contention) the option to send in a PAW pick (on the final day only) via pm to the manager. If a pick is sent via pm then the player must post on the PAW thread to say that his/her final pick has been sent by pm. e.g. PAW13: Sent via pm to Manager. The manager can then post the picks he/she has received via pm once the final has started or when they are next online.

Sending picks via pm works fine in TT so I don't see it can't work in PAW. In the situation where the PAW manager is in contention for the title coming into the final day, then maybe a PAW board member can be nominated to receive the final days PAW picks via pm.
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Re: fair final pick

I agree with sdtoot, I think the PM option is the best option, but also that it needs to be announced that you have done so so that the other player isnt waiting around all day for you to make your final pick,not realising you sent it privately

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Re: fair final pick

It might also be a good idea to bring up the possibility of a warning system for disruptive players who abuse managers or are disrespectful, for example like .Yves used to be before he got banned for cheating. Maybe something like 3 warnings = a 1 month ban or minus 200 ranking points or something

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