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Moderator Elections

Instead of choosing new mods like the Catholic church chooses a new Pope, why not have legit elections where the people decide?

I recall I ran mod elections in May 2011 and Getta won, who would have been a fine mod.

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post #2 of 23 (permalink) Old 04-02-2013, 09:36 PM
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Sorry I totally disagree with this. (Obviously not with the fact that Getta would have been a good mod though )

There are enough popularity contests on the forum already who cause controversy so I don't think we need another one of this.

Cliques will vote for their favorites then instead of giving someone a chance who might be relatively unknown on the forum due to not being involved that much on GM and NT.

They yearly ask for members to apply for becoming a moderator anyway and everyone has a chance to apply.
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Re: Moderator Elections

Perhaps a more effective and feasible idea would be for the members to elect a representative ie someone who would act as a 'bridge' betweem them and the mods and vice versa. Basically someone who would vouch for their interests, hear their concerns and address the mods about them, while at the same time being contacted by the mods when a big decision is being taken to get the members to weigh in on it and send them a summarized version of their views that should weigh in on the final decision. This elected member would not be a moderator himself, but a trusted member with increases responsibilities to represent MTF members.

This is a model that could potentially work/improve things probably.

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Re: Moderator Elections

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Perhaps a more effective and feasible idea would be for the members to elect a representative ie someone who would act as a 'bridge' betweem them and the mods and vice versa. Basically someone who would vouch for their interests, hear their concerns and address the mods about them, while at the same time being contacted by the mods when a big decision is being taken to get the members to weigh in on it and send them a summarized version of their views that should weigh in on the final decision. This elected member would not be a moderator himself, but a trusted member with increases responsibilities to represent MTF members.

This is a model that could potentially work/improve things probably.
Anyone you can think of that would be able to do that and want to?

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Anyone you can think of that would be able to do that and want to?
If you're asking me who I think is the right person for it, I can't really tell since the right person is whoever MTF members collectively select/someone with the general approval of MTF members.

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Perhaps a more effective and feasible idea would be for the members to elect a representative ie someone who would act as a 'bridge' betweem them and the mods and vice versa. Basically someone who would vouch for their interests, hear their concerns and address the mods about them, while at the same time being contacted by the mods when a big decision is being taken to get the members to weigh in on it and send them a summarized version of their views that should weigh in on the final decision. This elected member would not be a moderator himself, but a trusted member with increases responsibilities to represent MTF members.

This is a model that could potentially work/improve things probably.
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Anyone you can think of that would be able to do that and want to?
Let's say it that way: I never wanted to be a mod here, cause I simply don't want to handle with all the trash that's posted here on a daily basis. But if I was asked to be a "posters representative" for the mods team, and IF the mods team takes me/them seriously, I could think of that idea.

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Perhaps a more effective and feasible idea would be for the members to elect a representative ie someone who would act as a 'bridge' betweem them and the mods and vice versa. Basically someone who would vouch for their interests, hear their concerns and address the mods about them, while at the same time being contacted by the mods when a big decision is being taken to get the members to weigh in on it and send them a summarized version of their views that should weigh in on the final decision. This elected member would not be a moderator himself, but a trusted member with increases responsibilities to represent MTF members.

This is a model that could potentially work/improve things probably.
This is a great idea. It would also make it easier to appeal bans, for example, which is one of the points we certainly need to change. Thanks for that suggestion!

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Perhaps a more effective and feasible idea would be for the members to elect a representative ie someone who would act as a 'bridge' betweem them and the mods and vice versa. Basically someone who would vouch for their interests, hear their concerns and address the mods about them, while at the same time being contacted by the mods when a big decision is being taken to get the members to weigh in on it and send them a summarized version of their views that should weigh in on the final decision. This elected member would not be a moderator himself, but a trusted member with increases responsibilities to represent MTF members.

This is a model that could potentially work/improve things probably.
great idea indeed, if i would be ask like marv i will help in any way i can

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Excellent idea by Mark Lenders. Having a person there who can act as a link between moderators and regular posters is a brilliant suggestion. I think it should be someone who is quite active, friendly with pretty much everyone, but informed enough to query and support decisions. I'm all for this to be pushed through.
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Re: Moderator Elections

I also support this idea to the max. It is an excellent suggestion and a great need on a forum with such a large community.

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, and I hate to be a party-pooper with the well intentioned idea made by Manuel, but don't you think this will still end up being a popularity vote for a single elected member who will still not have the voting power of an admin or mod, only that of a liaison? A paper tiger? No thanks.

When the power of the few controls the masses, the power of the people is only in their numbers.
We have a chance of making changes if we use that power effectively. Groove's original suggestion was an attempt in that direction.
By the way, in principle, I would support moderator elections suggested by him in the OP if there were new elections often (at least 1/year).

If it becomes apparent that we are not allowed to do so effectively by means such as these rule change sessions, then protesting in numbers is an option. But that really only works if there is solidarity and I believe should only be used as a last resort if other means fail.

If we were allowed to have some other bloc of power, such as regional representatives (e.g. by continent) that had equal voting power to admin/mods, then that would be a different story. But I think we have clearly been told that this is a public forum controlled by a private company from the terms and conditions thread:

"Please note that, as mentioned above, this is a public forum owned by a private company, who have appointed members to moderate the forum, and to enforce and occasionally update the rules as necessary. When users create an account on this forum, they are agreeing to abide by the rules that govern the forum. As such, the forum rules in place curtail any poster's "right to free speech", and users must accept this when they create an account and use the forum.

If a user feels they cannot, in practice, abide by the rules, for whatever reason, they are free to seek other forums where they might feel more at home. Disagreements about rules or the way forums are run are not always resolvable and occasionally the only solution is that both parties separate."


We have been given an opportunity to have an open rule change session. So far, I only see a small percentage of posters participating. Surely there were many more people complaining about the rules in the various un-ban threads. Where are all these "friends"? Even if they were only to come and say, "I agree", it would show support. Thanks to those who have.

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I'm with Masterclass, having a liaison with the mods seems a useless thing. First, it directly implies that users and mods have no connection whatsoever, which is/would already be a bad thing in itself, and second, such person would be a some kind of poor man's mod, without any real power to do anything, yet with some vague responsibilities. Also I don't think we need more popularity contests aka voting for mods.

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, and I hate to be a party-pooper with the well intentioned idea made by Manuel, but don't you think this will still end up being a popularity vote for a single elected member who will still not have the voting power of an admin or mod, only that of a liaison? A paper tiger? No thanks.

When the power of the few controls the masses, the power of the people is only in their numbers.
We have a chance of making changes if we use that power effectively. Groove's original suggestion was an attempt in that direction.
By the way, in principle, I would support moderator elections suggested by him in the OP if there were new elections often (at least 1/year).

If it becomes apparent that we are not allowed to do so effectively by means such as these rule change sessions, then protesting in numbers is an option. But that really only works if there is solidarity and I believe should only be used as a last resort if other means fail.

If we were allowed to have some other bloc of power, such as regional representatives (e.g. by continent) that had equal voting power to admin/mods, then that would be a different story. But I think we have clearly been told that this is a public forum controlled by a private company from the terms and conditions thread:

"Please note that, as mentioned above, this is a public forum owned by a private company, who have appointed members to moderate the forum, and to enforce and occasionally update the rules as necessary. When users create an account on this forum, they are agreeing to abide by the rules that govern the forum. As such, the forum rules in place curtail any poster's "right to free speech", and users must accept this when they create an account and use the forum.

If a user feels they cannot, in practice, abide by the rules, for whatever reason, they are free to seek other forums where they might feel more at home. Disagreements about rules or the way forums are run are not always resolvable and occasionally the only solution is that both parties separate."


We have been given an opportunity to have an open rule change session. So far, I only see a small percentage of posters participating. Surely there were many more people complaining about the rules in the various un-ban threads. Where are all these "friends"? Even if they were only to come and say, "I agree", it would show support. Thanks to those who have.

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If the MTF members can't choose a representative responsibly - ie picking a popular member instead of someone they believe would represent them the best - then they deserve the consequences to be fair. If given a chance to have a liason with the mods they don't take most advantage of it, then oh well really.

This 'representative' wouldn't have any actual powers, but be an intermediary ie making it easy for the members to appeal infractions/bans through him and voice general concerns and, reciprocally, be contacted by the mods when there's a big decision to be taken so he can gather the general views from the membership to be taken into consideration. This would definitely be a good idea imo assuming MTF would choose a representative responsibly. The profile would be something along the lines of someone active on the biggest sections of the forum, generally well liked, easily approachable, with the ability to express himself/herself in writing in a very clear fashion... you get the picture I'm sure.

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This 'representative' wouldn't have any actual powers, but be an intermediary ie making it easy for the members to appeal infractions/bans through him
How can that be easier than having a member contacting a mod or admin himself/herself? Why the extra layers and the bureaucratization of the forum?

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How can that be easier than having a member contacting a mod or admin himself/herself? Why the extra layers and the bureaucratization of the forum?
Maybe I understand it quite well because I know the German union system. There are union workplace representatives here. If a worker (who is member of the union) has problems on his workplace, he can go to the representatives, who try to mediate between the worker and the bosses. This is how I would understand the role of these "trusted posters" without any mod power. I actually think this step between the normal posters and the mods could be a good idea, but only if those trusted posters are really taken seriously by the mod team and not only asked "because the new rules say we have to ask them."

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