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Both Hewitt and Coria could develop a bigger serve , why the hell can not nalbandian do the same thing?
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It's not solely a technical thing. What happens is that when under extreme pressure, the shot that is the biggest weakness is liable to break down and for David that is his serve and forehand to an extent.

In training he can hit them well, but it's in the match that counts. I think that he should try and get more topspin on his serve and use more placement as well, if the length is good, then it's harder to attack, but he can hit too many short serves.

It will never be a strength, but if he can improve it all the better.

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It will never be a strength, but if he can improve it all the better.
True. His serve is not so horrible anyway. At least I can say that David actually puts his serves into play(Unlike poor Dementieva, whom I've seen lose entire service games on 4 straight double faults.)

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True. His serve is not so horrible anyway. At least I can say that David actually puts his serves into play(Unlike poor Dementieva, whom I've seen lose entire service games on 4 straight double faults.)
I don't agree. His serve is pretty weak for such a physically gifted guy, and extremely ineffective. He simply doesn't work enough to improve it. Look at Hewitt, he made his serve a real weapon. David will need to correct this problem immediately! He really surprised me in one of his interviews when he said serving big was not so important. Very immature statement.
By the way, learning to hold service games will also make his wins easier, matches shorter and as a result, keep him away from injuries. He always fights so hard, even against lower ranked players. He must be dominant - with such a clean return and excellent ground strokes.
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I don't agree. His serve is pretty weak for such a physically gifted guy, and extremely ineffective. He simply doesn't work enough to improve it. Look at Hewitt, he made his serve a real weapon. David will need to correct this problem immediately! He really surprised me in one of his interviews when he said serving big was not so important. Very immature statement.
By the way, learning to hold service games will also make his wins easier, matches shorter and as a result, keep him away from injuries. He always fights so hard, even against lower ranked players. He must be dominant - with such a clean return and excellent ground strokes.
And all those great groundstrokes are nothing without a good serve to back it up.

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I don't agree. His serve is pretty weak for such a physically gifted guy, and extremely ineffective. He simply doesn't work enough to improve it. Look at Hewitt, he made his serve a real weapon. David will need to correct this problem immediately! He really surprised me in one of his interviews when he said serving big was not so important. Very immature statement.
By the way, learning to hold service games will also make his wins easier, matches shorter and as a result, keep him away from injuries. He always fights so hard, even against lower ranked players. He must be dominant - with such a clean return and excellent ground strokes.

And how do you know whether he works hard enough? Have you ever been to a training session or watched him in the gym - or spent any time with him when he is working? No George is right - it is a nervous thing - the more stressed he gets - the more the serve goes - that is a mental thing - nothing to do with how hard he works or trains physically.

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And how do you know whether he works hard enough? Have you ever been to a training session or watched him in the gym - or spent any time with him when he is working? No George is right - it is a nervous thing - the more stressed he gets - the more the serve goes - that is a mental thing - nothing to do with how hard he works or trains physically.
I think I didn't say a word about his training sessions or working out in the gyms - because David is so gifted physically, it's obvious he must have spent a lot of time working out... what I said though and I mean it again - David doesn't work enough to improve his serve. If serving bad is a mental problem, he must work on the mental side more. After all, Rosie, you agree with George's statement that "serve is his biggest weakness", right?
Becoming nervous in crucial moments, not being able to serve out the match, getting tight etc. - these are things that separate players from the top players. David must improve his serve to quickly join the elite players group for many years to come.
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Actually I don't agree that his serve is the weakest thing - his mentality is the weakest thing in my opinion, and that in turn controls his "nervous serve". I do see what you're saying, but I think it's only fair to say that no matter how much someone works on a "mental problem" - sadly sometimes it will not go away, and the people close to them (whether family, friends, fans or whatever) have to support them for what they are and not condemn them for something they cannot change. David has consulted with a Sports Psychiatrist about his "nerves" - I know this for a fact - but sometimes that cannot help, in the same way that over 20 years of "treatment" to try and control a phobia I have hasn't helped me either.

And actually I don't agree that it was "immature" of him to say serving big wasn't important............rather I think it was mature of him to accept his limitations, accept (perhaps) what he has tried and can't change, - and make the best of the talents and abilities he does have. He hates big servers - he doesn't want to play like that - I personally wouldn't want to see him play like that either.

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Re: Nalbandianīserve

i agree with kiank, the serve is the weakest part in the nalbandianīs game,
his serve is not powerful at all, very bad accuracy and many double faults in key moments. Toko -who is a very good returner- did not have any problem with davidīs serve.
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Actually I don't agree that his serve is the weakest thing - his mentality is the weakest thing in my opinion, and that in turn controls his "nervous serve". I do see what you're saying, but I think it's only fair to say that no matter how much someone works on a "mental problem" - sadly sometimes it will not go away, and the people close to them (whether family, friends, fans or whatever) have to support them for what they are and not condemn them for something they cannot change. David has consulted with a Sports Psychiatrist about his "nerves" - I know this for a fact - but sometimes that cannot help, in the same way that over 20 years of "treatment" to try and control a phobia I have hasn't helped me either.

And actually I don't agree that it was "immature" of him to say serving big wasn't important............rather I think it was mature of him to accept his limitations, accept (perhaps) what he has tried and can't change, - and make the best of the talents and abilities he does have. He hates big servers - he doesn't want to play like that - I personally wouldn't want to see him play like that either.

Anyway - I'm still trying to keep away from these Forums because I am in a very difficult situation and posting here makes it harder - somretimes I just get angry or feel like I have to post something and then I immediately regret it - so guess I will end by saying everyone has their own opinions and are entitled to them.
About his mentality being the weakest thing, I would totally agree with you - and yet... let's separate mental problems from the playing skills. It's so obvious -I'm surprised we're still discussing this - think for a moment - his return never lets him down regardless of how nervous he is. So his return is definetely great and his serve is definely weak. Very simple. He needs to work more to correct this.
No one condemns him, everybody wishes him the best of luck and wants to see him happy, winning many titles. I've personally been supporting him since Estoril 2002, browsing the Internet for every single match he had played.
And I think it's clear no one would want to see David playing like a Ivo Carlovic or Wayne Arthurs type of a player, we are talking here about making his serve a more stable and reliable weapon.
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Re: Nalbandianīserve

Watching Nalby serve is like watching Elena Dementieva serve I close my eyes and hope it goes in

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Re: Nalbandianīserve

look at his serve stats against gasquet
Fastest Serve 119 MPH
Average 1st Serve Speed 107 MPH

Average 2nd Serve Speed 91 MPH

pretty bad :retard:

his second service is pretty bad too
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Watching Nalby serve is like watching Elena Dementieva serve I close my eyes and hope it goes in

I was hearing the ESPN commentators and they were comparing David's serve with Roddick's, and David's average speed of his first service is the same one as Roddick's second. They were not saying that David's one was but, how powerful and difficult to return Roddick's serves are.
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I've watched all of Nalbo's matches at Wimby from R2 onwards, and the only match in which he served poorly was against Murray. He's actually served pretty well during the tournament.
He's never going to have a massive serve in the 130mph range, but the placement is key. He does work on his serve, and more practice and match wins will improve his confidence on serve.
He lost serve so many times yesterday because of wrong shot selection and bad unforced errors and not because his serve was fast enough.
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I agree! I said several times yesterday, during his match, that the only thing that saved him from not getting broken more was his serve. It wasn't that bad at all...
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